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Comment by Roguefoxx

This was pretty easily soloed as a lvl 33 Dwarf Warrior. Just be sure not to agro too many Kurzen Medicine Men since they are healers and will heal eachother.

The Jungle Remedy drops from Kurzen Medicine Man around the Kurzen Compound located at 43,10. The Venom Fern Extract can be found near the front door of the building located at 44,9. Click on the boxes near the front door.

Comment by 1651

The boxes with the Fern Extract can be found at 44,9 in front of the two-story house, 44,10 in the middle of the campfire area, or 45,9 next to the stables.

The Medicine Men are a bit of a pain, because they'll heal themselves twice if you don't down them quick enough. If you've got spell interruption abilities, use them when they try to heal; it'll make downing them a lot faster.

Also, the drop rate on the Jungle Remedy is fairly low, you'll be killing quite a few of these guys.

Comment by 48092

The drop rates definitely suck for the remedies.

Make sure you do this at the same time as https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/quest=203 (The Second Rebellion) which you get from the same camp.

Comment by 43849

If you have a mana burn ability use it or they will heal themselves forever

Comment by Robification

If you are a priest I suggest Mind Controlling the healers if you are doing this in a group. Your buddy can take out the jungle fighters and you can even use the medicine men to heal them by wasting their mana instead of yours.

Comment by 78601_

Hi,
after I did the quest, I learned it's easier to get the remedy from Kurzens Headshrinker in the Cave ;)
They drop way more often than medicin man

Comment by 46507

# Patch 2.2 (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=174505927)
In the Bad Medicine quest in Stranglethorn, Jungle Remedies can now be found on Jungle Fighters.

That should make this quest a whole lot less tedious.

Comment by 80166

lol, i tryed this quest, but i though the drop rate was to small, so i abandoned it. later when i killed someone there, i got the redemy, and tryed to kill them again, then i got VERRY high drop rate, then i went to get the quest, and i finished it

Comment by 127805

As a side note, the jungle fighters drop the remedy too, and the medicine men drop herbs for those of you with alchemy. You can sneak around the outside of the camp to get the fighters for the other quest as well but be careful once you go past the entrance of the cave, the commando is stealth and unless you have stealth detection or something like that he's hard to see.
For you mages, counter spell works well to keep the medicine men from casting their healing spells. At least it did for me.

The cords are dead on accurate, thanks

Comment by 33915

Completing this quest and "the second rebellion" leads to
"special forces" https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/quest=574, available from the same quest giver.

Comment by 159271

I found an easter egg on this quest - Bon Jovi has a song "Bad Medicine" and quest giver's voice listens like Bon Jovi's voice.

Comment by nidyamercado

This quest was easy with a level 37 warlock and pet... drop rate on the remedy is good even after you don't need it anymore!

Comment by Thottbot

loc 44,10

and very poor droprate :-(

Comment by Thottbot

Hey guys just a word of warning! Please dont try to get the jungle remedies from the Medicine Men. The drop rate is very very poor and they are hard to kill. Instead get a mate and go into the cave. There you can kill loads of headshrinkers (perfect for combinong with the mission where u gotta kill a few of them) where the drop rate of jungle remedy from them is almost 100%.
Hope this is useful!

Comment by Thottbot

It's in one of the boxes near a campfire. Right click and it shoud come up for you. :)

Comment by Thottbot

I found a house on the west side of the camp, its full of medicine men, that respawn fast.. so it didn't take long to collect the vials. Plus right outside on a crate is the Venom Extract. So this was quick.

Comment by Thottbot

i'm attempting to solo bad medicine and the second rebellion with a 31 rogue, and the medicine men are indeed a pain in the ass...however, i've found that a cheap, fledgling version of a stun lock keeps them from healing even once. as long as you can fight only one at a time, it has about a 60-75% success rate so far:

stealth, cheap shot, gouge, backstab, vanish, ambush, then a 5-point kidney shot, and i can usually coast with a sinstrike or two and evisc or slice and dice from there...

the combo points invested into stun time as opposed to straight damage aren't really useful anywhere else, but they help against healers.

i realize this only helps rogues and no one else, but hey, i do what i can :P

Comment by Thottbot

I remember doing this quest 2 years ago and it was maddening for two reasons:

- The drop rate of course. Maybe they fixed it but my 34 Druid has just killed 12 in a row without one dropping. But I got 3 before in about 10 kills, so who knows what is going on? The Fern Extract, oddly enough, is the easiest for us stealthy types.

- Every now and then I will get one of these perma-heal guys. It takes five minutes to kill them because they just keep healing themselves. If they dropped a quest item or 40 Silver after this kind of a battle, fine, but none have so far. Very annoying.

Bad Medicine indeed, and not much in the way of a reward. But hey, Outland spoils us all a little bit, I guess. : /

Comment by Thottbot

One more thing the Rebel Camp is at coordinates 38,3 is where you turn in the quest.

Comment by Thottbot

I hated this quest.

I did this quest as a level 32 Priest with a level 34 Druid Helping. It took us almost 45 minutes. The drop rate was steady when we started, but after 2 or 3 remedies they barely droped at all.

Medicine Men. There evil. Don't bother mana burning them at all, Priests. It takes very little mana for them to heal them selfs, you'll just end up wasting your time. Focus on Dispel Magic. They put a spell on them selfs that makes them rez themselves. If your a shadow priest, Silence them when there about to heal.

The Venom Fern Extract is outside the house. You'll see some Stacked boxes. Theres usually 2 guys right outside the house, and you might Aggro 1-2 guys inside the house as well. So keep distance and try to pull one at a time.

Cords:
Sergeant Yohwa, 40,4, Rebel Camp.
Kurzen's Compound, 43,9, And the area around that cord.

Comment by Thottbot

if ur a paladin just stun the enemy when they heal.

Comment by Thottbot

i done this with my 30 lock the medicine men were a pain in the ass so i ensed up using felhunter wich made it much easier

Comment by Thottbot

Please note that as of the latest patch, Jungle Remedy now also drops off Jungle Fighters (no more pesky Medicine Men to deal with unless you want to).

Comment by Thottbot

Did this easy as 31 Mage did it during i did the quest when u should kill Jungle Fighters. got 7 in like 30 kills

Comment by Thottbot

horrible horrible drop rate! the medicine men are easy enough for me (32 Druid) just prowl, ravage, and drill them lol!

Comment by Thottbot

With my 35 hunter this quest was very easy. I could take 5 medicine men at a time. i would get a big crowd and use explodsive trap a god AoE spell. it took me a 30min to farm everything and i grined for 10 min( got 10s)

Comment by Thottbot

you can get the jungle remedies off the jungle fighters as well as the medicine men, and if you're already doing the second rebellion quest at the same time, you should be killing them already. they don't heal themselves as the medicine men do, so they are a lot easier to take down. i have soloed this quest with two moderate level characters without too much trouble or time involved and without having to go into the cave by mostly going after the jungle fighters and just hitting the medicine men when they got in my way.

i hope this helps. good luck.

Comment by Thottbot

Just a lil bit of advice I just bought the jungle remedy at the AH for 6s apiece. This makes the quest a whole lot easier.

Comment by Thottbot

how do u get venom fern extract?

Comment by Thottbot

i soloed it as a lvl 33 hunter. i did it at the same time as The Second Rebellion and all the jungle fighters dropped the jungle medicine easily there was a good drop rate. it was about 43,9, good luck

Comment by Allakhazam

I started this quest last night, first time in Stranglethorn Vale (level 32 Priest).
The Medicine Men can be a PITA, but easy for a priest with mana. Priests should attack using their "Mana Burn" attack. Three hits with that and the medicine men are out of mana and down to about 60% health or so, and they go down easy after that. At one point I was out of mana and then I found out how nasty these guys are. I fought one and he just kept healing himself over and over (their mana regens fairly quickly). I had to run away from him and drink.

Comment by Allakhazam

This is the most set of quests I've ever had to do so far in this game. These Medicine Men are teh suck and if you aggro more that two of 'em, it's game over for you. It also seemed like the area spawned the mob opposite of what you needed. I was overrun with Fighters when I needed the anti-venom and there were too many Medicine Men when I was hunting fighters. Add to that the slow drop rate and you have one crappy quest.

Eh, worth the XP, though.

Also, if you are soloing this thing, go for the supplies near the house. You aggro one of those MM in the middle, you aggro them all. Not fun.

Comment by Allakhazam

The Second Rebellion is no longer the prerequisite for the quest.

This makes complete sense, since Kurzen Medicine Men & Kurzen Jungle Fighter stand so close to each other, it is pretty much a necessity to kill them both just to complete either one of these two quests.

Needless to say, these two quests should be done together now.

Edited, Sun Feb 26 00:02:57 2006

Comment by Allakhazam

This quest was kind of a pain, but it wasn't too bad. If you come up the path from the west side of the compound, you can find a few of medicine men you can pull: one inside the giant house, one in front of the house near the campfire (near the boxes where you find the jungle fern extract), and one behind that house. There weren't too many medicine men alone, so I would kill them and wait for them to spawn by killing the jungle fighters (Second Rebellion quest).

Comment by Allakhazam

Well this is a PAIN! The venom extract was easy; however, getting the remedy drops was QUITE different. I've been killing every dang Medicine Man I have run into and out of a half hour playing I've gotten one drop! Being a 32-lvl Rouge doesn't help. The only way to keep them from rebooting their life is by rupturing at 5-combo points, which weakens them, and then kicking them when they go to rejuvenate. It's still a fight though. It may be a while until I get this quest done! Good luck!

Comment by Allakhazam

Did it as a lvl 34 fire mage, was pretty easy. The jungle remedies dropped pretty quickly, and the venom extract was a piece of cake - frost nova'd the group in the middle, gave me just enough time to loot the remedy and run :p

Comment by Allakhazam

what are coordinates i cant find

Comment by Allakhazam

Well I don't EVER want to finish this quest... Probably cuz of the drops... Half an hour fighting n00bs... I killed every last of them! NO JUNGLE REMEDY1!

Comment by Allakhazam

Easy quest with lvl 40 Lock but miserable drop rate 30mins to get the remedy...
4-5 Medicine Men around camp

Comment by Allakhazam

The crate is in the center of camp which is 44,10 of Stranglethorn Vale.
The medicine men are best first target (they heal them selves and others).

Comment by Allakhazam

This quest does -NOT- require The Second Rebellion. The two quests must both be done to proceed to any of the other Rebel Camp quests, and can be done concurrently. I am making this note because I have changed this status repeatedly, and somebody keeps changing it back.

Also, Kurzen's Mystery is a direct follow-up to THIS quest, and does not require Colonel Kurzen.

Comment by Allakhazam

extreamly easy for a paladin

Comment by Allakhazam

These guys SUCK. As healers I think they're overpowered -- not only can they cast Inner Fire and Renew, but they also can heal themselves from a sliver to full at least twice over if you're unlucky. Along with that, they're hard to find alone and not in the middle of a bunch of other mobs, and the drop rate on the Remedy just sucks. You can kill five of these guys and get five Remedies... then all of a sudden kill ten and get none.

Comment by Allakhazam

You can find the compound southeast of the Rebel Camp. Head east following the path, south through the gap and then east again.

The Venom Fern Extract is easy enough to find. Look for a pile of wooden boxes (similar to the ones found behind Corporal Bluth - camp trader - in Rebel Camp). Mouseover them and see if the cog cursor pops up. If it does, you will find the Venom Fern Extract in there.
The only place I have seen these boxes spawn is beside the door of two-story house in the west of camp (not the tower or the lumber mill).

The other half of the quest is harder though. The Medicine Men are quite annoying. They are Priest mobs.

SPELLS:
INNER FIRE: They keep this buff spell up perpetually. This increases their armour by around 720, I believe. 20 successful hits on the mob will use up this spell's charges and remove it.
RENEW: They cast either Renew on themselves once down to 90% health.
HEAL (Greater? Flash? Not sure): They heal themselves once they reach below 50% health.

Priests have the advantage over these guys.
If you pay attention to their actions you will see when they cast Renew/Rejuvination on themselves. You can then use Dispel Magic to remove it. If you only have Rank 1 you may have to cast twice as the first time may just remove Inner Fire instead.

Once they get down to 50% health they will try and heal themselves. You can either mana burn them until they have no mana beforehand, or simply stop them from healing. To stop them from healing, first ensure you have WoW's new Target-of-Target feature turned on in the bottom of Interface Options. They will target themselves before they try to heal themselves, so the moment they do this, stop them by stunning or silencing them.

I suggest you grind these for their Jungle Remedies a lot. These will serve you well even at level 60.

Edited, Fri Jun 23 01:21:43 2006

Comment by Allakhazam

What's all this about "healing liquids" first off the Jungle Remedies uses are "Cures diseases and neutralizes poisons." not for healing so whether a Medicine Man heals himself or not is irrelevant.

Secondly as it states in the quest text both the Jungle Fighters and the Medicine Men drop the remedies, which I can attest to myself. If you don't like the Medicine Men then just kill the Jungle Fighters, it's quite that simple :)

Edited, Oct 17th 2007 9:52am by cococj

Edited, Oct 17th 2007 9:53am by cococj

Comment by Allakhazam

i either wore out their mana reserves (slowly, using Seal of Justice) or killed em quickly (using Seal of Command and my 2H).

as a paladin, the Remedy is not necessary, as the Purify spell does the same thing.

Comment by Allakhazam

34 Mage. Found the best way to kill the medicine men was to pyroblast, channel arcane missles, fireblast, then scorch or arcane blast until they died. If their health returns just scorch, arcane blast, and fireblast because those are quick.

Comment by Allakhazam

So far it's not too bad. I died getting the fern. But it was worth it. Aggroed 3, feigned death and then aggroed the other 1 and put him in ice and then got it and ran. My health was already really low so I just died in a good spot. Working on killing the other men for one quest while killing the shaman for the venom things. I'm a L33 huntress, and for some classes it would be harder than for others. Luckily hunters have tricks or else I would be dead a lot more.

PS at first the drop rate was 100%, then I killed about 3 or 4 more and got nothing. So hoping to get the last ones when I get back to my corpse.

Comment by Allakhazam

These medicine men are really evil. They heal them selves and others, so if you end up with 2 medicine men, dont fight them but run away.
They have enough mana to heal twice and they have some kind of exstra health generator..

Easiest thing is to stunn them when they start to cast their healing.. Might give you enough time to finish them

Comment by Allakhazam

I personally thought this quest was easy at level 31. But then again, I'm a shadow priest and have mana burn and silence. It's kind of hard for the medicine men to heal if they can't use their mana. lol

Comment by Allakhazam

this quest is easy, just don't give them a chance to heal...the venom fern extract is at the campsite with tents around..Nice axe reward too

Comment by Allakhazam

What are the coordinates?

Comment by Allakhazam

Yeah I started this quest and got the extract but i still need to others but yes it is impossible to solo at lvl 30 i partied with warrior and we almost did it but my pet got extra aggro and they are sensitive when it comes to getting aggro so i died rather quickly

Comment by Allakhazam

the venom fern extract is located (44,9 titan atlas) or in the middle of the camp next to 3 tents. did this as lvl 39 elf hunter no probs :)

Comment by Allakhazam

I killed several of these medicine men quick, no healing on their part, and guess what - no healing liquid! I killed one who healed and got a healing liquid. The result is this - it's odds like any bad drop rate.

Comment by Allakhazam

I am just wondering what chance this has to heal a poison or disease? Is it based on the level of the creature that caused the status?

Comment by Allakhazam

anyone know the coords?

Comment by Allakhazam

the reson why they seem not to drop they use them to heal there selfs you must kill quick & you can get a small stack drop i hope this hlps ya !

Comment by TheRealHaggz

Just a FYI after the recent classic release, there was a bug where i could not loot the supplies. Had to abbandon and pick up the quest again, then i was able to loot.

Comment by kasper203

Needed to kill about 50-60 of these guys to get all 7 Jungle Remedy

Comment by balzor

If you allow the Kurzen Medicine Man to start casting heal, then interrupt (i used Rebuke), then kill, it is a 100% drop rate. At least for me was 7-7 after I figure out what to do after killing many and just using Hammer of Justice which doesn't work for this I guess

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Bad Medicine

Bring 7 Jungle Remedies and 1 Venom Fern Extract to Sergeant Yohwa at the Rebel Camp.

	Jungle Remedy (7)
	Venom Fern Extract (1)

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To have a chance against Kurzen, we need his healing support neutralized. He has gathered a large number of Medicine Men who heal his forces with Jungle Remedies and poison our fighters with Venom Fern Extracts.

We need those remedies and extracts for our own. Search the Kurzen Compound - his Medicine Men and Jungle fighers will have the remedies, and the extracts are probably stowed in some of the camp's supply boxes.

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You will be able to choose one of these rewards:

	Palm Frond Mantle		Guerrilla Cleaver

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Upon completion of this quest you will gain:

250 reputation with Stormwind

See if you've already completed this by typing:

/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(204))

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