RIP Alliance on PVP-Server
This is probably one of the best solutions they have thought of.I cannot express how glad i am, that they took the time to implement this.Anyone who just blindly pours vitriol on this matter does not understand theanalysis behind this - nor the idea.It is no "fictional problem of one faction" or "a player problem". There simply is a problem. Some servers have faction imbalance.Some are majority alliance, some are majority horde.This resolves that.Sincerely, thank you, Blizzard.
Same-faction open world pvp when? Let them kids gank each other...
From what I gather only if there is no alliance enemies will the horde face different horde correct? Even though that's how they say it's going to be why do I feel that Alliance will have increased queue times because of this change. We will see I guess, but overall a band-aid solution, especially for PvP disbalance.Also as a side note I'm baffled by respones like "If you don't like the STATE of the game just don't play it". Not liking the game and it's state are two different things. Please make difference and use your snarky comments when appropriate.
So you're providing anecdotal "evidence" about arenas when it was clearly stated that I was asking for metrics on how it affected BGs. I was specifically talking BGs because the issue is people crying that alliance lost their sadistic "advantage" of shorter que times and their only arguement against same faction BGs is that the queues were the only reason to choose alliance, with horde having better racials. You still didn't even show the math behind your "logic" either, therefore, as stated, until someone does, racials will be considered balanced. A statement that isn't logically "fallacious" because there is no truth or falsehood about the statement, merely announcing that until proven otherwise, my opinion is they are the same. Thank you for demonstrating your complete lack of comprehension and need for attention by jumping in and not being able to defend your "arguement"
The real fix is to unlink races from factions and allow faction transfers.
"You still didn't even show the math behind your "logic" either"No, I provided empirical analysis to back up my assessment that horde racials in general are better. And if we presume that people play the faction with better combat provess (or at least that's a factor), and better racials contribute to better combat provess, then I did my job. I also haven't said racials were the only factor (horde-favoured map layout in for example AV, historical reasons, "edginess" of horde, snowballing effect of server migration/inbalance/ppl stopping playing, player behaviour etc.), I merely debunked *your* statement that alliance racials are somehow "better" than horde ones."...therefore, as stated, until someone does, racials will be considered balanced. A statement that isn't logically "fallacious" because there is no truth or falsehood about the statement, merely announcing that until proven otherwise, my opinion is they are the same."They will be considered by *you*. You consider the statement that they "are the same" true just because in your eyes you haven't proven wrong, and that's simply and plainly logically fallacious. Also:"Tldr: alliance and horde racials same until you can show the math of how they impact bgs."That's not even a statement of opinion. I wonder if you realized that yourself, and that's why you went with opinion the second time, in which case well done for intellectual dishonesty.But you're right, I haven't quantified the racials per se. And I sampled arenas, so fair criticism. But demanding metrics on bg win ration with racials as factor is unrealistic as only blizz has such metrics, if they have at all. ALL opinion on how racials affect win ratios is empirical-based, or if you prefer "anecdotal", even yours. What is a testable fact, is how effective/strong those racials are in any given situation (i.e. is it better to have Shadowmeld or WotF on your rogue). But if you really want some kind of "quantification" then there you go with tiers (and point given after tier) based on my (and many other's) analysis:S (4): WotF, Hardiness, StoneformA (3): War Stomp, DPlague, Escape Artist, Blood Fury, Chastise, Hex of WeaknessB (2): DPrayer, Endurance, Perception, Elune's Grace, BerserkingC (1): Arcane Torrent, Shadowmeld, Touch of Weakness, Gift of Naaru, Starshard, Shadowguard, Symbol of HopeD: Cannibalize, Human Spirit, Gnome Int, Voodoo shuffle, weapon racialsE: everything elseThat's 27 pts for horde, 20 for alliance, correspondence with win rates established. Hope you're satisfied. Now either address my original points debunking your ridiculous assessment on alliance racial supremacy, give an argument or statement that's actually not fallacious or let's leave the point where I agree with you: it's your *opinion* that the racials are the same.
It's a shame that they disabled pre-mades. One more step into the retail direction...Pre-mades were an integral part of the original TBC. Taking them away just makes the game more single player friendly, which is an affront to the players who want the original MMORPG feeling that got so corrupted over the last decade.In a MMO, you are supposed to group up, and if you don't and want to solo play, you deserve to have a disadvantage.
And yet you're still unable to quantify why they're better. It's not a number only blizzard has. If a racial is better, there is a numerical reason why. And I didn't ask for a win ratio of BGs and racials used. If you weren't too lazy, you could crunch the numbers of a battleground, factor in racials being used on CD and racials proc'ing from interaction of passive racials and so forth. No, validating the claim that one side is better or they balance out won't be easy, but that's the kind of puzzle theorycrafters nut about. So, until there is mathematical evidence demonstrating, as I stated racials will be considered balanced. And no amount of you attempting (and subsequently failing) to demonstrate an intellect that you don't have will change that without said evidence. Now please take your toxic posturing and lack of actually answering the question posed back to the depths of depression born of the disappointment in your life.
Hey alliance crybabies who haven't even reached challenger but are talking out of your a** :-) go watch any 2500+ streamer in 2s and 3s and listen to them crying about how broken stoneform/perception/escape artist are before spilling out nonsensical BS from your mouth ok? 80%+ of rank one teams in arenas are alliance, so STFU with your idiotic statements about horde racials being op for pvp. If you haven't even reached 1200 in arena please stfu you are embarrasing yourself. Not Hordes fault that you Alliance mongols are not participating in BGs and are on average just worse players overall. BEST CHANGE EVER, THANK YOU BLIZZARD, TBC actually SAVED.