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Comment by 93390

Heres a quick clip displaying the glow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB_oujvDGzk

Clip of the proc animation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_50JgoBw-vo

Meliphicent
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Illidan

Comment by 93485

I appear to be missing something here. Does this enchant have any redeeming features whatsoever?

Isn't ignoring 840 armour an utterly feeble advantage?

Comment by supertao

Does this proc off any ranged attacks?

Comment by 73789

The proc of this is equal to 7.37% damage increase vs ANY target, cause armor always increase phys mitigation the same deal. That means if some amount of armor reduces the damage taken by 10% making it 0.9, then adding it twice will give you another 10% decrease from 0.9 which results in 0.81. So reducing enemy armor is always great until it`s reduced to zero. And that is most impossible vs PvE targets.
There`s really no difference between plated targets and clothies, the relative increase in damage will be the same for both of them. For dd warriors and melee shamans this enchant is really better than mongoose. The bad thing is no stacking but you can always get mongoose on the second weapon.

Comment by 22897

I guess the question is...

Is this enchant worth giving up a mongoose on one of my weapons?

Comment by Jagema

I'm curious to know if this can proc on yellow attacks (i.e. MS) as well as white swings.

It should, yes, I don't see why other enchants such as Crusader, Mongoose etc. should have procs with both and this one shouldn't. I'm certain it does.

Comment by zAce

Does this work in Druid forms?

Comment by Icarus

Noob question: this thing stack if I'm dual-wielding?

Comment by Jubro

The wording of this enchant has me curious. It doesn't say that "your attacks" ignore 840 of your opponent's armor... It says enchants a melee weapon to occasionally ignore 840 of your opponent's armor. The qualifier that would explain it applying to all of your attacks is absent.

So, this sounds like a dumb question, but does it just apply to attacks made by the enchanted weapon, or all attacks?

Comment by Shmurple

rofl... if only twinks could have this enchant =P too bad its lvl 60 weapon or higher.

Comment by Rerox

Procrate seems to be around 1.4 PPM
Tested with Procwatch on mobs in Blasted Lands.

Comment by 57129

840 armor penetration makes that 9160 armor, 46.456 reduction, so that swing would hit for roughly 545. 545/513 is roughly a 6.24% damage increase.

You made a little mistake in math. Not 545 hit, but 535 hit. And it is 4.3% damage increase.

And the effect will be much higher on low armored targets. And almost no effect on tanks ;)

Comment by 33158

$armor = 5000; #your target's armor
$x = 11960; #set to 10557.5 for level 70 targets, 11960 for level 73 targets

$reduction = $armor / ($armor + $x);
$damage = 1.0 - $reduction;
$damage_plus_1pc = $damage * 1.01;
$reduction_needed = 1.0 - $damage_plus_1pc;
$armor_needed = ($reduction_needed * $x) / (1.0 - $reduction_needed);
$armor_pen_needed = $armor - $armor_needed;

print "For a target with $armor armor and an X of $x, to get 1% more damage you need $armor_pen_needed armor penetration.n";

Comment by 97459

Anybody know if this will stack with the proc from "The Night Blade"?

Comment by 57075

The proc reduces a fixed amount of AC; therefore the more AC the target has, the less effectiveness we will benefit according to the d.r. (damage reduction) formula. To view how "effective" this enchant works at a given target's AC, let's compute the difference before and after proc for each AC. Assume we face a mob with the same level as a player:
k = 10557 ... constant
x = 840 ... reduced armor
d.r. = AC/(AC+k)
d.r.' = (AC-x)/(AC-x+k)
diff = d.r'-d.r = k*x/(AC^2+(2k-x)AC-k*(k-x))

, which leads to the following table:
AC -- damage gained
10000 -- 2.19%
9000 -- 2.42%
8000 -- 2.70%
7000 -- 3.02%
6000 -- 3.41%
5000 -- 3.87%
4000 -- 4.44%
3000 -- 5.14%
2000 -- 6.03%
1000 -- 7.16%
0840 -- 7.37%

Damage gained (%) is viewed as the ratio of damage difference to the white damage. Assume that one's armor can't be negative, and the maximum gain is about 7.37% when a target's armor is equal to or lower than 840.

Comment by 97204

Can this proc twice on two different weapons at the same time?
MH proc and OH proc going at the same time as stacking.
Can anyone confirm this please : )?

Comment by JediJesseS

The above math seems to be incorrect.

Using X= Amount of Target Armor, the equation we should arrive at is:

(X/(X+10557) - ((X-840)/(X+9717)) = Difference in damage reduction (%)

Which gives a table of these values:

Armor -- Damage Reduction Lost After Proc
0 -- 8.64%
1000 -- 7.16%
2000 -- 6.03%
3000 -- 5.14%
4000 -- 4.44%
5000 -- 3.87%
6000 -- 3.41%
7000 -- 3.02%
8000 -- 2.70%
9000 -- 2.42%
10000 -- 2.19%

Someone please verify my math if possible, I could have very easily made a mistake!

Comment by 102374

This has probably been answered but I want to make certain. I could have this on my rogue's offhand weapon and it won't only effect attacks made by the offhand weapon, but all attacks for 15 seconds. Am I right?

Comment by Shada

Thoughts on this as a tanking enchant? Not as all around useful as Mongoose versus big hitters maybe, but as part of a trash/heroic/threat based setup?

Comment by 30838

so when the enchant proccs does it give u a buff like , for the next x amount of seconds all attacks ignore this much armor or is it like on the swing if it procs that swing ignores the armor

Comment by 103483

A quick Question ! I already enchanted my with mongoose but seeing this works somehow like an Extra 2-3 sunders will it be more suitable For making MORE TPS than Mongoose ?

Comment by 103719

The reason sunder armor causes as much threat as it does is because high threat is built into the skill, not because ignoring armor generates high threat. Sunder armor also increases dps from everyone in the raid with physical attacks, while this only increases your dps. The real reason for this enchant is to increase melee dps, but tanks should probably stick with mongoose.

Comment by LordZED

Hello. I did LOADS of test on this enchant and now
IF its on MH then 1.2ppm
IF its on OH then 1.2ppm
ProcMeter 1.18%-1.68% on normal usage
Done on 213hit rating=3.8% miss rate
It does not stack when u have 2 weapons enchanted
Proc lasts 15 seconds and affects all atacks done in that time
Thats for numbers. Now i use it on OH Fury drop form firs bos of ZA on my fury warrior. Got 20 str on MH. In real life it procs on Each mob in kara or gruul. Few times on booses. Proc its boosting rage generation :). I did tests on my mates 420 resilence warlock. When it whas on proc i had my crits up by about 200 when using BT.
Its realy nice enchant for fury wariors but rogues i still think that Moonguse is better cos they got more benefit from AGI = AP and it can Stack 2xMongoose proc=240AP/6%crit/4%atack speed and 10 dodge. Executioner cant beat that for rogues :).

Comment by Ambusher

Can anyone confirm if this stacks with the proc from Warp-Spring coil https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30450 ? I've yet to see both procs on at the same time.

Edit: Just found out they DO stack :)

Comment by 51621

Just my 2 cents - weapons that already have a glow (i.e. Heartrazor, Fang of Vashj etc...) do not get the graphic of executioner (same as mongoose).

Comment by 92642

How about the GLOWING Season 1 Axe? Check the screenshots.

Comment by 11885

Executioner video on santa's Spiteblade:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX_yzRAHQ-Q

Comment by 118784

Hey can anyone do a comparison on how this enchant stacks up to savergy? This is assuming that the warrior in mind has the full set of S3 gear with armor pen. Thanks in advance!

Comment by Miridithe

Has the drop rate been buffed since the last patch. In the last two weeks we have had 3 recipes drop.

Comment by 96298

Does this proc through druid forms?

Comment by 78102

There are some great sites that break down the detail for what situations a player would benefit from various chants. Executioner is a great chant for targets of low armor (clothies and some leather) but I would recommend a player have additional armor penetration gear since this 840 by itself is not all that fantastic.

This is a great chant for warriors who are trying to grind rep/mats or tank due to the combining this proc with their sunder armor. Having all five sunders (at rank 6) on and having this proc will yield 3,440 armor reduction which is a nice increase to dmg and threat. As stated many times above, armor penetration is NOT a 1-for-1 for dmg dealt (i/e 1 armor penetration = 1 increase to dmg dealt). This will only reduce your targets dmg mitigation %.

Comment by 62370

Question: If you are dual-wielding, does the buff affect all your attacks, or only those from the weapon that procced Executioner? The tooltip implies that the specific weapon gets the buff, not the character (which is what Windfury does, for example).

Comment by samljer

I put this enchant on "The Night Blade"

Damn.... thats all i gotta say... damn

very nice ;)

Comment by Galabriel

Can somebody PLEASE post a pic of Blazefury with exec on it? I cant seem to find it anywhere nor achieve it in model viewer....

Thank you!!!

Comment by 78102

Is there a place to look up an NPC's armor? I know I can find health, but I am having a hard time finding armor. Ideas?

Comment by Nebalee

But if you want to test it out. always put it on MH and leave Mongoose on OH.

Why does it matter whether it's MH or OH?

Comment by 140351

What is a fair price for this enchant if you supply mats? I had someone demand 50g and I said no. As a JC, I cut the rarest metas for a norm of 10g, so 50g for a chant (when I supplying 500g+ of mats) seems high.

Comment by 159444

dropped today twice in 1 raid on warsong eu from hex lord and zul`djin. all raid was shoked :D

Comment by pinkerton

from Elitist Jerks Enhance Shammy Think Tank:

Formula: Enchant Weapon - Executioner is roughly equivalent at high T5/T6 levels of gearing to a single enchant of Mongoose. However, Mongoose/Executioner or double Executioner will not outperform the dps benefit of double Mongoose unless the Enhancement Shaman is geared with nearly unobtainable values of Armor Penetration.

Executioner currently does not stack from multiple hands, each proc when DWing will simply refresh the buff. It is unknown if this is intended, since this deviates from how other weapon enchants function. Obviously the value of Executioner will increase as you gain more -Armor gear. At entry raid level a shaman will probably gain more from dual Mongoose enchants. At high T5 content and beyond, Executioner will become more valuable.

Comment by Allakhazam

Anyone know the proc rate?

Comment by Allakhazam

Really good enchant for warriors, not really better then mongoose for rogues.

Comment by Allakhazam

As you can see in the picture it looks nice on Lionheart. It doesn't however have a graphic on Glad sword, not sure about S3 but I know S1 and S2 receive no graphic change from the enchant. As for the procrate, it appears to be on par with Mongoose.

Edited, Dec 17th 2007 3:32pm by horaxe

Edited, Dec 18th 2007 12:16am by horaxe

Comment by Allakhazam

Vengeful Gladiator's Greatsword

Comment by Allakhazam

WTF does "occasionally" mean? Does it proc more than mongoose or just as often? If it procs as often I'd rather stick with my mongoose. 120+ agility and a bit extra attack speed for 15 seconds is better than this, imo. At least for now I feel this way.

Comment by Allakhazam

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/117/execbu0.jpg
:)

Comment by Allakhazam

Great news for all Roogs!

I opened a ticket with a GM on Argent Dawn and he said the procs for The Night Blade and Executioner are independent and therefore do stack! Woot! Although, I have yet to test it, but I will very soon! Looking forward to the 2135 reduction in enemy armor!

EimaRoog

Comment by Allakhazam

Does anyone know yet if this enchantment will stack procs with itself if it is on two different weapons and both end up procing? This happens with mongoose.

Edited, Dec 24th 2007 9:10am by Drogunlord

Comment by Allakhazam

post a pic or link plz anyone

Comment by Allakhazam

dropped from the first and the fourth boss in Zul Aman. Seems to have a realy high drop %. Otherwise we are realy lucky with 2 enchants in our first run on live realms :)

Comment by Allakhazam

Wow, how do you say, dagger rogue? Any rogue, hell, any melee class, hawt damn.

Comment by Allakhazam

http://i19.tinypic.com/815jb42.jpg

Comment by Allakhazam

How long does the proc on this enchant last?

Comment by Allakhazam

Mats:
6 x Void crystals
10x Large Prismatic shards
6x Greater Planar Essences
30x arcane dust
3x Elixir of Major Strength

Comment by Allakhazam

This only works for melee strikes right? Or would it work with a gun?

Comment by Allakhazam

I got this Formula from The Eagle boss in ZA on our guilds 3rd run, was the only enchanter who could use it XD. Being selling a fair bit lately. As for the proc, I've heard that it is up nearly 50% of the timer in raids. Best on a mainhand weapon with mongoose on offhand.

Comment by Thottbot

I dont have this enchant but it is my understanding that the effects of executioner dont stack. instead of doubling the amount of armor bypassed the duration is refreshed . IMO for the pvp this chant is easily able to compete with mongoose but for a pve i think mongoose will still hold the high title

Comment by Thottbot

Executioner enchant proc has a 15 second duration to ignore 840 armor.

Comment by Thottbot

http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Procs_per_minute

Comment by Thottbot

It seems blizzard is making a lot of Armor reduction gear for us rogues and fury warriors. This enchantment is a nice compliment to any weapon. Whether it be 1-h or 2-h. I'm wondering why blizz is making all of this nice armor penetrating gear... Maybe if we take resilence into account, because certain players stack resil and are almost ~uncrittable~. So with this enchant, you wont crit as hard on high resil players, but you'll still hit like a truck with your consistant damage. So here's some advice. Stack AP and Armor pen. all you rogues and fury warriors... I see no crits over the horizon (Oh Noez!). This enchant has about the same mats as Mongoose... I'm thinking about going Ex. on MH and Mongoz on OH. Btw, on some servers, this enchant hasn't even been picked up yet. Or only a few players have gotten it. So be prepared to pay a hefty tip (if they know they're the only one with it) to the nice enchanter who gave you this phat uber enchant. =D

Comment by Thottbot

btw for people who don't understand...armor pen and the likes of it work BETTER on cloth than on plate...just becuase of the way armor scales do you think 840 armor does anything against a bear with 20k armor? no. but how about cloth with 1k armor who is still getting 10% damage reduction? you are talking 7%-8% more damage on cloth, but 0.5%ish on heavy plate or bears.
Just keep this in mind when you try to stack armor pen to defeat the merc (now venge) glads warrior

Comment by Thottbot

OK...IF i have Executioner in Mainhand and in Offhand will i get 2 different sets of the 840 armor ignore, Mongoose would proc and give 2 buffs for 120 agility...seems like this should as well

Btw, im pretty sure its been answered up there but ive had tons of ppl tell me different things so i just wanna get it cleared up kthx

Comment by Thottbot

Can someone post what it looks like on a fist weapon by any chance?

Comment by Thottbot

I have mongoose on my main (hemo-spec, using swords) and wondering if this may be a good off-hand enchant for a rogue.s If not I'll just get mongoose again. Thoughts? If its been discussed earlier, sorry, just didn't read carefully.

Comment by Thottbot

Anybody know if this stacks with "The Night Blade" https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=31331/the-night-blade ?... The Night Blade has an awesome sunder of armor "Your attacks ignore 435 of your enemies' armor for 10 sec. This effect stacks up to 3 times." and procs VERY often... this would be awesome if it stacked with it! Imagine a 5 dot evic crit with 2145 armor reduction? WOOT!

Comment by Thottbot

I understand it does not stack, but, why dismiss the idea of doubling up on this enchant if you are building a penetration char? At only 2 PPM, it would seem the refereshed timer would actually be very useful...

-840 armor 75-80% of time is much better than -840 only 50% of the time. Especially in Arena where goose crits are few and far between these days anyway.

Wouldn't you rather just have the almost-constant penetration if you are going to get this in the first place?

Comment by Thottbot

OK it's all nice what u guys wrote about counting...but where does it drop? Zul'Aman? If there, which boss? Or is it a world drop?

Comment by Thottbot

I don't know the exact math behind this chant, so I won't even attempt to cloud your judgment with poorly explained mathematical operations. However, what I know is that this chant gives around 8% increased "ALL" damage against clothies if you're melee, and that is a significant amount imo. Almost all of the rogues in my guild has the trinket from Fel Reaver, and all of them praise the trinket's 1000 ignore armor proc to no end, and most of the major PvP rogues even use it in PvP & Arenas. They also seem to eat up the "armor ignore" stats on most of their gear eagerly and joyously.

Mongoose proc, as awesome as it is, doesn't provide close to what Executioner could bring to the table, namely the amount of damage increased. Sure, this chant doesn't work as well against heavily armored targets, but raid bosses, with as much armor as they have, don't wear plate, and some of them are quite "squishy" for the lack of a better word (why would bliz give t6 quality melee dps gear ignore armor if they don't think it's good for PvE anyway?). My conclusion? This chant seems to be an awesome PvE and PvP chant. Of course, I won't be so ignorant as to tell you to chant both weapons with it, but I hope you at least are looking to chant your main hand with Executioner... it's the smartest choice imo.

Oh, and if you're a tank... Mongoose of course, like everybody said, and if you're a hunter... why are you here? :P

Comment by Thottbot

Ok so considering the materials and finding someone to do this, is this worth putting on something like gorehowl? Or should I leave my savagery there.

Comment by Thottbot

So for a arms warrior executrioner rocks mongose in pvp?

Comment by Thottbot

assuming that you where to use this for pvp against a clothie you have to take in consideration their buffed armour. Each seperate cloth class has a armour buff which should always be active in pvp. priests have inner fire increasing armour by 1580 and mages/locks also get a buff that increases their armour. So when assuming the damage increase on these cloth targets the self buff must be taken into consideration too work out the real effectiveness of the enchant.

Comment by Thottbot

when using a 2h that has a speed of 3.6 or so, would it be best to get a savagery enchant or executioner (ignoring all cost factors) when dpsing IN PVE ? im not sure how to calculate it but the armor ignoring effect has a "such and such" addition to total dmg caused, but what would savagery have in comparison? Again, im looking for pve opinions and statistics here, not pvp.

ive just heard around that executioner isnt worth it as much pve wise if youre fighting a boss with mass amounts of armor, where the ignoring factor executioner gives you would end up being useless. This is, of course, coming from someone who does not have other armor penetrating effects stacked from armor.

Comment by Thottbot

does the Enchant Weapon - Executioner work on a druids weapon? i know of some enchants that do not work on druids in form, and its rather sad to spend the money and find out after the fact.

Comment by Thottbot

Executioner doesn't stack, because then it would be double penetration!

Comment by Thottbot

Putting this on both weapons would probly not b a good idea.For a dps fury warrior,I suggest this in main hand and 20 Str(potency) in off hand.Of course 2 potencys kicks ass too.Rogues...executer MH mongoose Off hand...But if you're worried bout this chant emptying your wallet...and u like to save ur money not spend it...this chant isn't worth it.Honestly,it's not a bad chant,But if you wana pick up something cheap and ur warrior...Go with good ole' potency or savagery.Stats always better than procs I always say!And for end game raiding with a 2h,GO SAVAGERY!it's not enough ignore for a high lvl raid boss trust me

Comment by Thottbot

By far the best combo would be the executioner on the mainhand and mongoose on the off-hand. That would beat double executioner or double mongoose easy!

Comment by Thottbot

Does this stack with the Rogue Serrated Blades? *Sorry if this has been asked before I don't feel like looking thru every single post*

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Formula: Enchant Weapon - Executioner

	Phase 4

Item Level 75
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Requires Enchanting (375)
Use: Learn how to permanently enchant a Melee Weapon to occasionally ignore 840 of your enemy's armor. Requires a level 60 or higher item.
Permanently enchant a Melee Weapon to occasionally ignore 840 of your enemy's armor. Requires a level 60 or higher item.

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