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Comment by 34677

Sorry Laetand, but this thrinket is horrible, blizz really needs to play mage more :)
Now a more constructive post:
A mage wants in thrinkets passive +crit/+damage effects, but if you cant live without some kind of +mana thrinket, get
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=27922 wich not only adds more +damage in boss fights (you wont use mana stones on trash anyway) as it gives you alot more mana back then Serpent-Coil Braid.
Serpent-Coil Braid gives around 290 mana every 3m, while mark of defiance, has 15% proc chance to give you back 128-172 mana, if you spam fireballs, it takes you around 24secs to get 128-172 mana back :)
What an awsome waste of an iLvl 115 class specific thrinket, and dkp

Comment by 37744

What if your pop your trinket first? Does it put your mana gems on cooldown? Did bliz code for that?

Comment by Zoenn

*Major* nerf incoming to this lovey item in 2.10:
http://www.worldofraids.com/news/itemchanges/coilfang.jpg

Serpent-Coil Braid
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Classes: Mage
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases your spell critical strike rating by 20.

It's worse than Eye of the Beast (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=13968) and thats a lvl 60 item!

Z

Comment by 34677

its still bad when compared to any other thrinket avaiable to someone that raids and has access to serpent shrine

225 damage for 5 spells using fireballs = 1125 damage every 3m, so 1125/180x3 = 18,75 damage per spell average, decent, but still inferior to other thrinkets in total damage done/added, even after you consider the crit/hit bonus
1125 = total damage done by its effect considering that you use mods to negate/reduce the impact of lag
180 = 3m in secs
x3 = cast time of fireball

very basic thinking, not adding talents and so on.

Comment by 52517

I don't know, My mage is 41/0/20 and i go for mass spell DMG at about 1056 frost DMG selfbuffed. with int on i have about 9k mana so on longer boss fights like high king, gruul and mag (not in SSC yet :( ) And I have a system set up for mana gem rotation. and the whole time we learn high king and gruul I didn't pop 1 mana pot or go oom (or inervate or anything like that lol) ^^ so a trinket like this would suit a play style like mine. You'd just have to proc it @ the right time. like if you're in SSC - spell Strike procs, send rank 1 frostbolt @ mob (afaik SSC is high frost resist) get resist proc eye of mag, drop mana gem, AP, POM, pyro.

Comment by Vesanius

Let's count how much this trinket actually increases dps of a fire mage who has +1000 fire damage, 30 % crit chance and let's say 11 % hit chance with talent points. All this stats are against level a 73 mobs and a raid bosses.

First of all, every hit you don't miss because of this trinket can also crit. With that 11 % of hit your target have a 6 % chance to resist your spells. If you equip this trinket your target have a 5 % chance to resist your spells. With +1000 fire spell damage your avarage fireball hit (When we are not calculating resists) is ((713+904)/2+1000*0.9)*1.3*1.1 = 2443.155 damage. That's 814.385 dps.

Without this trinket, when your target have a 6 % chance to resist your spells, it means that your avarage fireball hit is 2443.155*0.94 = 2296.5657 which is 765.5219 dps.

With this trinket, when your target have a 5 % chance to resist your spells, it means that your avarage fireball hit is 2443.155*0.95 = 2320.99725 which is 773.66575 dps. So that 1 % hit increases your dps by 8,14385.

Let's now count how much this 30 crit rating increases your dps.
30 crit rating is 1.36 % crit chance so your avarage fireball hit (when we are not counting resists) is:
((713+904)/2+1000*0.9)*1,3136*1.1 = 2468.71416

With this trinket your target have a 5 % chance to resist your spells. This means that your avarage fireball hit with this trinket is 2468.71416*0.95 = 2345.278452 which is 781.759484 dps.

Let's now count how much this use effect increases your dps.
+225 damage for 15 seconds every 120 seconds and fireball casting time is 3 seconds.
With improved fireball that extra damage is 225*0.9 = 202.5
With this trinket your target have a 5 % chance to resist your spells.

202.5*15/3/120*1.3*1.1*0.95 = 11.46234375 dps

781.759484 + 11.46234375 = ~793.22 dps so avarage fireball hit is 2379.66.

Let's compare this to Icon of the Silver.

Avarage fireball hit when we are not counting the use effect of the trinket is:
(713+904)/2+1043*0.9)*1.3*1.1*0.94 = 2348.58624 which is 782.86208 dps

Let's then count how much the use effect of 'Icon of the Silver' increases your dps.
155*0.9 = 139.5
139,5*20/3/120*1.3*1.1*0.94 = ~10.42 dps

782.86208 + 10.42 = ~793.28 dps so avarage fireball hit is 2379.84

But this is not accurate because 20/3 is 6.666... and only 6 fireballs gets the damage bonus from the use effect. So with +1000 fire damage and 30 % crit chance this two trinkets are equal together. With more than +1000 fire damage Serpent-Coil Braid is better than Icon of the Silver, and with less than +100 fire damage Icon of the Silver is better.

But then again, with Serpent-Coil Braid you get 25 % more mana when you use your mana gems which is a good bonus and it may increase your dps in a long fights.

I haven't seen this dropping yet but once this drops I will take this. This trinket will be good for a long time.

Comment by 60438

if u use any other trinket ( that gives spelldmg bonus ) before mana gem, u grant spelldmg from trinket and mana gem consume effect.
eg: if u use Icon of the Silver, then u use mana gem u would have 380 bonus spelldmg for 15 seconds, and they are also on same cd of 2mins, meaning that u can stack them allways on every 2 mins.

i got this trinket 4 days ago, and im really impressed with it, tested several builds for fire mage and it worked awesome inc. arcane power, and deep fire build. Also i would mention that +25% mana is really awesome thing to have, its really usefull for longer fights.

so Thumbs up for this trinket.

mages do not hesistate to spend your dkp for this.

Comment by 60041

This is an excellent trinket, though the bonus mana returned on mana gem use is a poor replacement for mana gems actually scaling. Most TBC fights are long enough to exhaust the three mana gems that are worth using (though with this trinket, you will want enough to use one every 2 minutes for the proc) evocation once or twice, and you will still be popping potions almost every time they are up.

This is very good, though, as it has the two rating stats mages like most, as well as the damage effect and mana bonus.

Comment by AlphaQ

This is the best trinket to use on Kaz in Hyjal for a mage. The extra boost in mana will greatly help your survivability as well as damage because you won't have to "hold back."

Comment by Denus

Gonna be a lot better now with the Mana Emerald changes is 2.3.2.

Comment by doown

I'll post the Mana gem changes in 2.3.2. since I think I'm not the only person who had to look them up:
Quoted from http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t16979-mage_tc_after_2_3_a/:

The mana gems min and max mana value have been modified slightly to provide a less random bonus to the mana.
Rank 1 - Restores 390 to 410 mana. (Instead of 375-425)
Rank 2 - Restores 585 to 615 mana. (Instead of 550 to 650)
Rank 3 - Restores 829 to 871 mana. (Instead of 775 to 925)
Rank 4 - Restores 1073 to 1127 mana. (Instead of 1000 to 1200)
Rank 5 - Restores 2340 to 2460 mana. (Instead of 1800 to 3000 on PTR, 1136 - 1364 on live) and has 3 charges

Comment by 5288

In 2.3.2 this trinket will grant you ~600 extra mana every time you use a Mana Emerald.

Assuming that you use a gem every 2 min from the beginning of the fight (you can use a rank 1 after your vey first spell) then it averages out to 28.125 spelldmg. Compare that to Icon of the Silver Screscent's use effect which averages out to 25.83 spelldmg.

Comment by 42448

to the comment made by bluscrn +Hit does not increase your chance to Crit lets say this:

you have 30% crit 10% hit that mean out off 100 fireballs
30 will crit 6 will be resisted and 64 will be normal hits

ive read that its all rolled on a table like this
i also thought it was like you stated

Comment by Mazorp

The real benefit to me with this trinket was that it really worked out well with my current gear and situation. This trinket replaced my Scryer's Bloodgem and then with the combo of the +spell hit badge ring I was able to cover up the lost spell hit from the Bloodgem and get the last .5% I needed to hit spell cap. Also, I'm now able to use Destruction Potions over Mana Potions with the rather large increase from mana gems. So overall it was a huge DPS increase over my old trinket. I'm very happy with it!

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Comment by Thottbot

downed Morogrim Tidewalker last night for my second time and got Serpent-Coil Braid. extremely great mage trinket for long battles. its CD is based off my mana gems. it gives a buff(every 2 minutes) greater than Vengeance of the Illidari,Scryer's Bloodgem, and Icon of the Silver Crescentaswell as making a Mana emerald restore 3k mana as apposed to 2400.

with mana gems having 3 charges and restoreing more mana than they cost to make even to begin with is great. even in the middle of a long battle when the CD is ready and i have enough mana i will conjure up a new mana gem and use a charge. its worth it mana wise as even WITHOUT this trinket you get more back. the hit rating may be low(compared to the blood gem). it may not offer base spell dmg(like the icon). it does have crit though which is important for any mage(especialy fire since more crits mean more mana)but you can basicly call it a 2 minute CD since thats what the mana gem has and 225 spell dmg is more then the other trinkets.

my second trinket is Darkmoon Card: Crusade
80 constant spell dmg for boss fights. cost me 1600g.

Comment by Thottbot

This pisses me off.

In BWL and SSC/TK both of the mage class trinkets were/are awsome.

Other classes got shafted both times..

Comment by Linklolwut

If you are pairing this with another SP use trinket (ex. Dark Iron Smoking Pipe - Icon of the Silver Crescent )
Using the mana gem to activate Mana Surge will put on use SP trinkets on a 15s cd.

However.
If you use an SP trinket before using the mana gem with this trinket, the cooldown will not hinder the gems buff and both spell power bonuses will stack (225, 15s + 155, 20s = 380sp for 15s & 155 for 5s.
Substantially powerful combination.

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Serpent-Coil Braid

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Item Level 128
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Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves spell hit rating by 12.
Equip: Improves spell critical strike rating by 30.
Equip: You gain 25% more mana when you use a mana gem. In addition, using a mana gem grants you 225 spell damage for 15 sec.

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