Comment by Allakhazam

I'll be lucky if I'll EVER be able to solo/melee elite 60+ demons. I think killing ONE demon WITH my pet and my ability to be ranged, with my full Beaststalker set and my nice crossbow would be a feat. That's an amazing bow, but I don't think killing myself and wanting to throw my computer out the window is worth it. I think you'd need a whole armor set and melee weapon that are just devoted to strength/agility to even have a tiny chance. I hope the sadists at Blizz come to their senses and nerf this quest a bit ... it seems unrealistic and out-of-character for a hunter. I think they overestimate the power of mail armor.

Way to go Blizz, you gave hunters a friggin' warrior quest.

Comment by Allakhazam

Blizzard sucks, they really hate us hunters.
Wtf do they mean by not letting us use our pets

Comment by Allakhazam

merwen
guide I've made

Why would anyone use this as a bow when the staff gives 2% crit? Just get a decent gun or bow and enjoy the benefit of the 1 extra percent from the staff. Or...?

Well, since you can use them both at once... why only use the staff? :p
And dont come with "No you cant" since I was playing with a hunter who equipped them both :) New since patch 1.8 :D

Comment by Allakhazam

Anyone ? And do I have to go to MC to start it ?

Comment by Allakhazam

You need a raid group to get into the instance... so... I don't suggest breaking all your dad's epics.

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Comment by PalarishaMalf

With classic coming out, and me still transmog'ing my ranged weapon to the trusty Rhok, I was reading the comments section here and thought I'd post a few thoughts, for those of us that got the rhok and lok back in the day, and for those people that really didn't know anything about it and now find out it's the BiS, since it hasn't been available in a really long time, and a good portion of the fanbase wasn't even born when it was.
- If you were in a guild that raided MC and Onyxia regularly, even if there were 10 other hunters, you eventually got the leaf for yourself. But if you were like me, 5 priest drops happened first, then the one week you couldn't make the raid, it dropped, and it didn't drop again for you for another couple weeks. But the wait was worth it.
- Most hunters had crappy weapons when they got the rhok and lok, so it was a huge upgrade. MC bosses didn't drop a lot of gear on each boss in general, and mean/ignorant guild leadership didn't always give the few other ranged weapons to hunters, so it was rare to get anything until the leaf, which only hunters could get. I know it sounds absurd, but if you lived getting passed up by a rogue with a bajillion DKP, you know the pain. Myself, when I got it I had a blue bow from one of the 50+ dungeons (because Mag NEVER dropped his bow) and one of those level 57 green axes that looks like a ninja star on a toothpick (but it was all agility so kinda OP for a green). But you went from a ilvl ~60 bow with ~30 dps to ilvl 75 (which was what the stuff in BWL was) with almost 44 dps. It was a big deal. And the model is still so cool. Shiny metal with vines and wood, and little flowers that constantly bud. Still think it's the best looking bow Bliz ever made.
- One of the best things about the rhok was the shot speed, at 2.9. Until like WotLK I think, the hunter auto shot timer reset anytime you used an ability, whereas right now it just goes off regularly at whatever rate it's set to. So hunters had to learn to use their abilities in between that shot timer, called it shot weaving. Most bow speeds were mid to high 2s, most guns were faster, and most crossbows were way slower. But you wanted the speed just long enough so you could weave in your aimed shot, which was a 3 second cast. But with raid buffs and whatnot, it was usually 2.8. So with lag accounted for, the Rhok was perfect at 2.9. Blizzard really thought out weapons back then. But that shot speed had a HUGE impact on hunter DPS. The bow off Mag and the gun off Golemag in MC were both too fast. So you could use it, but you'd constantly be extending your shot timers. Even when BWL came out, the Heartstriker bow was too fast, the crossbow off Chrome was too slow, and if you ever had a dragonbreath hand cannon drop (kinda goofy looking IMO), it had the right speed, but rogues would freak out because it had the Agi & Stamina stats for them.
- A lot of non-hunters didn't realize that it came with the staff, the lok'delar. I remember a mage or priest dueling me, and the old tactic was to get into that sweetspot range where a hunter can't melee, can't shoot. But he got too close and I whacked him with the Lok and killed him so he took a look at it, and was shocked. It was also ilvl 75 like the rhok, but it had 73 dps, which was higher than most of the 2h weapons in MC, except from Rag. But the stats it came with were awesome. Int to boost your mana, +2 crit, it was really slow so the 2 melee abilities hit really hard (before all the normalization stuff). It was really a huge upgrade. But most hunters, I'd say probably all, didn't have their staff skill upgraded, so you'd see them in high level dungeons melee'ing everything with the Lok'delar, doing almost no damage, and pissing everyone else off, wondering what they were doing! LOL good times! The model for the lok was kinda plain, but came with the mongoose enchant look on it, the green flame off the top, so it was simple, but really cool.
- The other part of the quest, which only hunters really understood, was the quiver you could get. A lot of people probably still don't realize that hunters had to carry ammo, and they had a special bag that took up one of the 4 bag slots. Before you got this special quiver, the biggest bag was usually from grinding AV, and was only 2 slots smaller, but this one gave a good buff too. A lot hunters posted about having a hard time getting the sinew to drop, but if you went while you had the quest, all the hunters I talked to said it dropped in 20-30 minutes. Mine did. It could drop randomly for other players, so I think a lot of people tried to farm them to make money (sold for 200-500g, which was a ton), but I think hunters on the quest had a much higher chance. It was worth it though. When wow removed quivers and ammo, Blizzard blessed hunters and turned it into a 24 slot bag. I still stubbornly have mine!
- Some people just couldn't kill the demons! Oh it was fun to watch, listen to the other hunters swear and just lose it in voice chat (ventrillo in the old day!) trying to kill the demons. On PVP servers it was painful to watch someone get close, and no one was there to keep the riff raff from the other faction out, because people love to be petty and interrupt it. But most hunters that raided long enough, ended up having to kite at some point, and as long as you read someone's guide at the time (there were quite a few), so you knew what to expect and what skills to use, it took 1-3 tries on each demon. But all 4 were made to use all the skills you should have, and it was extremely satisfying to finish.

So all you new hunters, the Rohk really is the best, until you get a lucky drop in Naxx maybe.

Comment by Cullitia

Got my bow last week! ^.^ It was such a fun questline and definitely makes you feel so accomplished as a Hunter. I'd never gotten to experience it in the past since I started in BC so it's awesome to do it now (I've always been envious of the bow)!

I mainly followed Vyzual's video on YouTube, "Wow Classic 2019 - Rokh'Delar 4 Demons Tutorial - 0 buff 0 help" - to complete my questline (hope I'm allowed to link vids, lol).
I didn't get any buffs beforehand and I didn't have any help between the demons.

CONSUMABLES! Not necessary to have damage-boosting ones, but nice nonetheless. Definitely recommend mana pots.
I used 1 Elixir of Mongoose for Silithus cause he was annoying which would have applied to Burning Steppes, but I died (rip). And then I highly suggest at least 1 Superior Mana potion for both Un'goro and Winterspring then 2-3 Superior Mana pots for both Burning Steppes and Silithus (could use Major Mana, but I like to save those for raid and pretty sure 2 Superiors is cheaper than 1 Major). I also ate maybe 5ish Grilled Squid, but again, not really necessary - just to speed things along.

UN'GORO! I killed Simone (the one with the pet) on the second try. I messed up, in the beginning, placing my trap on the pet so I had to Feign Death and try again.
Strategy: Place a Freezing Trap down and have Cheetah on. Open up with an Aimed Shot into a Concussive Shot onto Simone. Her pet should aggro onto you, run towards you, and step over the trap - freezing it in place. The pet will simply disappear and you'll be left to kite Simone alone. Viper Sting her as she casts her ability, interrupting her, then keep on running and Auto-shotting. I weaved in Multi-shots usually right as she cast her ability, then Viper Sting, but you could probably do it the other way around. I stayed away from using Aimed Shot, but I'm sure you could sneak some in. To me, she is a little bit easier than the Winterspring demon.

WINTERSPRING! Killed Winterspring dude on the 3rd? try. I kept messing up on my aggro range trying to get too many autos in on him for expedited damage. Other than that, he's an alright kite.
Strategy: You'll find him wandering the valley as a Tauren where it says on Wowhead, wait for him to get to a rock near the bottom of the valley, clear the way to the road beforehand, then kite him up towards the road and onto it towards Everlook. While you're going uphill and leveling off on the road, you're going to want to Concussive Shot as he seems to be a little speedier going uphill, at least in my opinion (this is usually where he got too close and I died). Other than that, keep Serpent Sting up and at the max range. Slow and steady wins the race here for sure! You can weave in autos if you'd like to try, but my kill was just taking it slow with Serpent Sting - I would definitely stay away from Aimed and Multis. Instead of trying to make sure you're weaving in Autos, you can just stick with Rank 1 Arcane Shot and blast him with that whenever it's off CD to make sure he doesn't de-aggro (Serpent Sting won't keep aggro by itself).

SILITHUS! I went and tried the Burning Steppes dude, but I failed like 5-6 times dying + 1-2 FD attempts before he despawned. x.x
Instead, I went to Silithus demon where I died probably 3-4 times before getting the hang of my kiting pattern. I had him like 5-10% on my 5th try, but I didn't auto/arcane enough and lost aggro.
Strategy: I think Silithus demon is a little bit easier than Burning Steppes, but definitely a big step-up from the other two and where you might struggle some more and face despawns. I started when he was just entering the AQ gates area, near a sloped piece of grey ground. I put an Immolation Trap down at the start, then began a very intricate kite process to never be in melee range - jumping down at key points and then back up some stairs and down again. I really can't explain the kite pattern well, but it's on the video I talked about in the beginning. You really got to see it then get used to it yourself! I was Auto'ing whenever I could and wouldn't get dazed (Cheetah on, he still runs faster than you), weaving in Multis when I was at max range - but not a lot, definitely a slow fight with using mainly Autos and the occasional Serpent Sting (which I recommend). Also have Arcane Shot Rank 1 on your bars somewhere to keep aggro so he doesn't despawn during your kite because there were some spots I couldn't stop without him catching up to me to Auto. It's easy enough to avoid the beetles as you kite, but you just gotta watch your footing. I did not use the Warlock fear-immune strategy here.

BURNING STEPPES! Ugh, this one, in my opinion, was the hardest out of the four. I tried him once, failed, and then finally got him again with no time to spare on my second attempt.
Strategy: I HAD to go back to my trainer to learn Scatter Shot. I had tried it the first time without it and I don't think it's possible without it. Well, possible perhaps, but you have to be on top of everything! You can use Wing Clip Rank 1 or Rank 2 here, I used Rank 1. Start by placing a Frost Trap (slow) and opening at max range with Aimed, Auto, Multi, then kite back. When he's getting in-range, that's when I would suggest using Concussive as he's soon to enrage. Scorpid Sting gets rid of the enrage and while it's active on him, he only hits you for about 8-15 damage per melee hit. Once he's de-enraged, run at him, Wing Clip, and run through him. If he dazes you, this is when I would suggest using Scatter Shot - or saving it for emergencies when he's close to you and enrages and you need to build space for Scorpid Sting. Once at range, for me, it was about 1-2 autos, run in to Wing Clip him, then run back out and you should get in range because he's about to enrage again (another good spot to save Scatter Shot is for now, in case he dazes you for the 2nd run-in to Wing Clip). I was able to weave a few Multis in here and there, but I tried to focus on making sure I had rhythm the entire kiting process. Once you have your rhythm for kiting, Wing Clipping, and the like - that's when you'll kill this. As for your Aspect, Monkey if you're nervous about getting hit, but I used Hawk for extra damage on my Autos.

Overall: I had a blast! I was frustrated, but in a good way where you know you've got this and once you've killed all four of them - euphoria! :p
Good luck getting your Leaf and Sinews, fellow hunters, and happy demon hunting! >:D

Comment by Otto61

Just wanted to add a couple notes:

Silithis & Steppes were both easy for me to "cheese" after practicing the jumps a bit. I think both were 2-3 tries that I could easily feign death out and retry. Having Shadow Protection Potions for Silithis helped quite a bit.

Winterspring was my biggest concern having helped someone earlier with it...

I was well stocked on Restorative Potions which dispel the debuff if you get too close and I barely killed him after getting the debuff and melee'ing him to death... very stressful. This one took about 10 tries for me and 3 actual deaths - if you have a priest/pally/shaman friend to rez you it can be helpful, but I personally didn't want an audience and the graveyard is close anyways.
My last three attempts were great with just Restorative Potion and the "RangeDisplay" addon which will show you if you're holding the 30-35 yards, 20-30 is a danger zone and you may get debuffed, 36-41 is a bit too far and he may reset, but I seemed ok holding this for a bit as long as viper sting was up and I had recently done a Rank 1 Arcane Shot.
If my last attempt was unsuccessful, I definitely would have added Rank 1 Serpent Sting to my action bars because I was very low on mana.

Un'Goro was odd and took the most tries...

I tried the jump strategy, but you'll have to reset if you fall in the bug pit and getting dazed a bit made it really tough to do.
I then tried a full melee strategy with a ton of buffs (Winterfall water, Strength elixir, Nature Protection potion, Mongoose) and got her to ~10% wingclipping both and potioning towards the end.
I eventually had success by using Aspect of the Wild, not worrying too much about melee damage and just kiting the demon with wing clip & concussive shots. You can just walk away backwards from her and melee until she starts casting, then turn to get space & jump shot a vipersting. I only pre-potted with a nature protection potion on this attempt.

Comment by Nath2866

Yeh great bow, pity every single hunter that has raided at least once gets one, at least a choice of; bow, gun or xbow would have been nice

Comment by Mungbeansss

So happy this wasn’t a boss drop. Would have lost it if I had to roll against fury wars and rogues on this

Comment by Morg77

A real shame that, now that we are in TBC we will likely never see a hunter with this again. No one is running the raids anymore. Would have been great for Blizzard to change this to a class quest to kill the 4 demons and drop the raid step. That way people leveling hunters could still get it. Was a really nice bow.

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Rhok'delar, Longbow of the Ancient Keepers

	Phase 1

Item Level 75
Binds when picked up
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Ranged	Bow

108 - 201 Damage	Speed 2.90

(53.28 damage per second)
Durability 90 / 90

Requires Level 60
Equip: Increases your critical strike rating by 14.
Equip: Increases ranged attack power by 17.

Rhok'delar, Longbow of the Ancient Keepers

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