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Worgen as a race w/ reasons
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Adamsm
Aye, except it would have to be brand new worgen, as opposed to the current ones because they are all insane, driven so by either Archmage Arugal or the corrupted power of the Scythe of Elune. Refer to
http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=96772
by MorecofRivendare heh.
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KaptainKrunk
There is a town in Silverpine just below Shadowfang Keep (Don't remember the exact name) where the inhabitants are Humans cursed under a spell, and transform into Worgan at night. For this reason, I believe Worgan would either be an Alliance race, or a Neutral one all together. I would assume if they were to be added as a race, it would be because of this very curse, that some races were transformed into Worgan, yet still managed to keep their humanity due to a sort of "cure" discovered by the Undead Apocotheries (Due to having the most experience in curses) or to have been somewhat purged by priests of the Alliance.
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Adamsm
So during daylight play hours they would just be humans running aroud?
Post by
HiVolt
It seems to me that the Worgen are largely incapable of forming societies from what I've read. Those who can't form a sort of society, let alone a civilization or law structure wouldn't be able to align themselves with a force such as the Horde or the Alliance. It seems to me that they have always been pawns in the grander scheme of a more intelligent being.
I realize that the series of events in Duskwood, and in/on their home dimension/world, points to them being able to organize and think for themselves. But this can also be said of the Quillboars, the Gnolls, and the Murlocs. All of which are incapable of organizing in the way that would be necessary to make them a viable playable race. As far as them being on the run from slaughter, there is no evidence to support it. They may be fighting against some sort of force where they come from, but we can't know if they're doing it on their own, or if they are pawns in an army of a more intelligent being.
Aside from that, they seem to be rather unintelligent, and all the evidence given of them shows that they
are
too bloodthirsty or too insane. This is probably why they are agents of the Scourge in many places that they are seen.
Without giving a bit more in the way of lore behind the Worgen, they can't be called viable as a playable race. At least not right now, not with the evidence given.
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KaptainKrunk
So during daylight play hours they would just be humans running aroud?
No, but knowing Blizzard, they would give them some sort of curse that takes almost the full effect, but they somehow keeping their humanity.
It sounds stupid really, but Blizzard has a way of pulling off stupid things.
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Adamsm
Unless they give goblins to the horde and toss us the worgen on alliance side, to go with the whole scythe of elune thing.
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Gnub
http://www.wowwiki.com/Alphus_Wordwill
Archmage Alphus Wordwill is a Dalaran wizard. He was researching an affliction that he had called the "Worgen Curse". He believed he would find a cure to this curse, and although it would not cure the transformation, it may allow the worgen to retain their minds after the transformation. He believed that these good-minded worgen could retain their abilities and help them defeat the Forsaken, the Scourge, and other evil powers. Alphus Wordwill believed that if he was funded then he could create this "cure". Brann once ran into him in Silverpine Forest and had a chat with him. Alphus gave him a copy of his research. Once Alphus Wordwill finally got his funding, he began work on the cure for the Worgen Curse. He needed protection as he and his servants moved through the forest gathering reagents and conducting tests. He had people sneak into Pyrewood and drop the cure into the water supply, then sneak out and observe the changes over several days. This activity undoubtedly angered Shadowfang Keep's mysterious overseers. Alphus hopes someone will slay Shadowfang's evil lords to permanently stamp out the curse's evil.
Post by
ColinatorGX
Don't you think you're kinda misunderstanding what a playable Worgen race means?
I'm not going to quote things from wow wiki or anything, seeing as we all know the bloodthirsty and savage beasts the worgen we fight in-game are. But that doesn't mean we're talking about the same type of worgen.
You've seen the textures for the worgen male and female masks, right? Do they look nearly as feral as the ones we fight in game?
In my point of view, we're talking about a different, say, strain or kind of worgen than the ones currently present in-game. Surely most people are saying that the goblins would undoubtfully join the Horde if they appeared as a playable race, what would leaves us with the worgens for the Alliance.
Now, why would these so-called "savage, bestial monsters" join the Alliance? What reason or link to the Alliance have they that would prompt them to do such a thing?
The answer to this lies, i believe, in the human nation of Gilneas, who is hidden behind the Greymane Wall. If the worgen would indeed join the Alliance, then it would be the humans of Gilneas turned worgen trying to restore their ties to the noble Alliance and the humans of Stormwind.
Why do I think that Gilneas is composed of solely worgens? Because of several confirmed and disputed factors.
Lore-wise, we know nothing of what happened there since the end of the second war, when the wall was built to isolate Gilneas from the Alliance due to disputes regarding the internment camps for orcs. Presumably, the Plague also never reached Gilneas, but something else might've. There is also the question about why they never resumed connections with the Alliance after that issue was solved.
The wall is situated in Silverpine Forest, the pinnacle of worgen activity in the Eastern Kingdoms, and where Arugal kept most of the worgen. This leads to one conclusion, which is, the humans of Gilneas have been turned into worgen in some way.
The wall is damaged, maybe from an attempted invasion from Arugal and the Worgen to extend their domains. Arugal put a curse on Pyrewood Village, turning the inhabitants into worgen at night.
In the case that he might've tried to do something similar, but more drastic, leading to a full-scale worgen infection of Gilneas. Which leads us to the reason that wall has been closed for such a long time, and Gilneas isolated.
In case they are truly been affected by a curse like Pyrewood's, all this time the people of Gilneas were most likely trying keep their instincts in check and not letting their feral side consume them.
Finally, this sets the stage for their introduction into World of Warcraft. If they truly are being added as a playable race to the Alliance, it is because they have managed to stabilize themselves, either by coming to terms to their beastiality or accepting it, or dominating that same ferocity. In a sense, the worgen of Gilneas most likely will have "evolved" and become more rational, despite retaining their primal instincts, and now that they have ensued that they are "in control", they will attempt to rejoin the Alliance in their struggle.
On a side-note, some of the quests and lore for them might involve their constant fighting to maintain their common sense, similar to the blood elves' issues with controling their magic adiction.
That is my opinion, and i realized i might've dragged this a
bit
, so please do tell me what you think of my statements and correct me if i've said anything wrong.
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HiVolt
That is my opinion, and i realized i might've dragged this a
bit
, so please do tell me what you think of my statements and correct me if i've said anything wrong.
That is a very well thought out argument. The speculation has it's roots in truth, so it's no that far-fetched either. When I commented earlier on this, I was merely looking at the evidence given and comparing the Worgen to the ones we see ingame. I admit the latter was a fault on my part, now that I've read your argument.
The idea is sound, but it's only a matter of what Blizzard has planned for Gilneas. And don't worry, you didn't drag this out, at least not in my opinion.
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ColinatorGX
That is my opinion, and i realized i might've dragged this a
bit
, so please do tell me what you think of my statements and correct me if i've said anything wrong.
That is a very well thought out argument. The speculation has it's roots in truth, so it's no that far-fetched either. When I commented earlier on this, I was merely looking at the evidence given and comparing the Worgen to the ones we see ingame. I admit the latter was a fault on my part, now that I've read your argument.
The idea is sound, but it's only a matter of what Blizzard has planned for Gilneas. And don't worry, you didn't drag this out, at least not in my opinion.
I'm glad it didn't seem dragged. It's quite embarassing for me to correct my mistakes and admit i was wrong.
However, you did have a good point in your post. You were comparing actual facts with criteria for the worgen to become a playable race, so you weren't contesting actual lore facts or anything like that, just affirming a reality.
They're different types of theories. Your post focused on analisis of the populational status, developement, and degree of civilization of the worgen race, and comparing them to the remaining races, in order to point out that they would not fit into the Alliance or Horde community.
My post instead focused on offering an assumed explanation of why there would be
certain
worgen who would join the Alliance (brushing aside the existing worgen, as agreeing with your post, they are not fit), and fortifying it with several explanations that match the WoW lore and don't distorce or scretch the existing backstory, building my sentences into open holes of the lore that match what i believe might have happened, or will happen.
No need to disbelieve any of our posts, as they are both correct, and accurate, either assuming facts that match the story or reviewing already existing info.
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BuryYourDead
Space Goats and
HIGH
elves were great! Wolverines babies? Better. But what will the opposite faction get? im in for Fish men.
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HiVolt
Don't you mean HIGH elves? ;)
I c wut u did ther.
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BuryYourDead
Space Goats and
HIGH
elves were great!
Fix'd
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