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Will 2h still be viable?
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Aris
At least tell me tanking will still be done with 2hander
Frost Tanks dont have 6 points to spare to DW, so Tanks will still be using a 2H'er.
DW is really only for Frost DPS, everyone else will be using a 2H'er.
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Valanthien
I think a very important factor most people seem to forget is that you will need a lot of extra hit rating for make DW optimal. 2h builds will have extra available talents AND extra item budget that can be used on raw strenght, critical, Armor pen. instead of having to gear and gem into extra hit.
While DW will certainly make itself a very interesting build, I can't see it becoming a 'be all, end all' build.
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Eleazer
Wolf, I understand your point, but it isn't a 200 dps point difference it's much larger than that.
Let me give you an example from my guild. I am a Frost DPS/Tank. I do about 4k dps in Uld 10. We have a Blood DK who does about 4.8k now he seriously outgears me, and on boss fights he does 5-5.5k and I do 3.8-4k. Now he seriously out gears me so that helps his dps, however I enjoy frost and know that if my gear matches his on trash mobs and AoE situations I will out dps him on bosses he will out dps me. We both dps in the tree and spec we enjoy.
Now on the other hand we had a DK who specced something like 14/38/20 some crazy combination like that, and despite his spec he was never going to be able to obtain the dps we were at. His dps ended up being a huge difference. He outgeared me, but his dps on the boss was 2.5 and on trash was 2k. Now do you see the problem there. Why spec to hurt yourself?
2H Frost DPS is going to be significantly behind DW and Unholy and Blood builds. However 2h Frost tanks will be better. Though there is a debate as to the viability of DW tanking in deep frost. The downside is now you are going to have to gear for more defense and stamina because you will lose the tanking rune. You will also need to bump your threat up which may exhibit problems.
Val, no one is saying "be all end all". DW frost is better than 2h frost but it is still behind 2H unholy and 2h Blood in certain situations. However we are speaking of Frost DPS solely, and in that cases a frost dps not DW is a Frost dps who is speccing to hurt himself and his dps and not trying to be the best frost dps he can be.
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Ashigore
Certainly from the tanking pov, you'd have to be crazy to try and Frost DW tank in 3.2.
For starters you'd loose the Stoneskin Gargoyle enchant. Off come all your stamina gems to try and make up that 25 defense (123 rating) and no 2% stamina from the enchant on top of the incoming nerfs, not to mention the avoidance loss from DR on that 123 extra defense rating.
Also, finding 2 suitable weapons will be hard, Titanguard is much too fast so your left with trying to get dps weapons, or items from old content which will make it even harder to make back that defense.
Bottom line is, if 2H frost tanking isn't viable (or at the very least moderately optimal) in 3.2, then frost tanking as a whole wont be viable and tanks will be forced to switch trees. However, I don't think the changed will hurt that much, yeah lower damage frost strikes will hurt a bit but it just further emphasizes the importance of using Rune Strike over Frost Strike as much as possible.
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