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Post by
MyTie
I'm not argueing that this theory is 100% right, and you are 100% wrong. All I'm saying is that the possiblity is there, and probably more that we haven't thought of.@MyTie: You did say scientific consensus is wrong.No... not really. Scientific consensus, throughout various fields of science, states that the universe is some 14 billion years old, life on earth formed approximately 3.5 billion years ago, and that we evolved from apelike ancestors.
If you wish to challenge it, provide evidence. Not just an alternative theory, but evidence supporting your theory.
I can't, and neither can anyone else. There is no difintive proof either way. That's my point.
You know, most of the time in these debates, I make a point, and then spend the next 2 hours repeating it, and quoteing myself to people who misrepresent what I said. It's tireing. I wish we could just move forward.
Post by
Monday
The reason to create evil is to see who is evil? So is someone justified to kill people to see which one can resist dying of bleeding the most and give the most resistant ones a nice garden?
(btw,ignore my possible grammar errors. Writting on a iPhone is darn hard -.-)So it just sucks for the people upon whom evil is acted?
The Japanese raped 100,000 girls and women at Nanking, and the Nazis killed million Jews. You're telling me that God just let that happen so that he could see if the Nazis were evil?
Why didn't he just not create evil in the first place and let people live in perfect paradise from the start?
Some people were corrupt and evil in their hearts, even in heaven.
So now we have the test to see who is evil.
To clear things up, Evil always existed. They had it in their hearts and were impure, so God created the test to be able to have only those who were pure and could resist temptation (or that would repent of their sins) to live with him in paradise.
Post by
Arathian
About who needs to justifie for whom:
my belief is that the side that has provided the least justification about his side is the one that should be justifiie it's position.
I can say that a pink ballon dragon exists but I should provide enough evidence of this until the scientific method has less evidence than me, in which case they should start providing evidence about why they are correct and my dragon incorect.
Likewise, I don't have to disprove to you that god exists until you provide me with enough facts about why he exists
Post by
Skreeran
The reason to create evil is to see who is evil? So is someone justified to kill people to see which one can resist dying of bleeding the most and give the most resistant ones a nice garden?
(btw,ignore my possible grammar errors. Writting on a iPhone is darn hard -.-)So it just sucks for the people upon whom evil is acted?
The Japanese raped 100,000 girls and women at Nanking, and the Nazis killed million Jews. You're telling me that God just let that happen so that he could see if the Nazis were evil?
Why didn't he just not create evil in the first place and let people live in perfect paradise from the start?
Free Will.If God is truly all powerful, could he not create a universe in which absolute paradise for everyone and freewill can coexist?
Edit: @MyTie: There is a genuine possiblity that invisible giant pink ballon dragons with identical teletbby riders exists. Does that mean that it has any value as a theory? No. Give me some evidence or your theory goes in the same trash bin.
@Aranthian: That's not how it works. The scientific method IS evidence. By providing evidence, you're participating in the scientific method. Unfortunately, there is no evidence for a god or gods, other than te fact that a lot of people claim to "know" them, and they all seem to disagree on who it actually is.
Fact is, they're just repeating what theri parents told them, and what their grandparents told their parent,s and so on until the first convert back hundreds of years ago before people knew how tornadoes worked and assumed that a sentient being was causing them.
Post by
Monday
If God is truly all powerful, could he not create a universe in which absolute paradise for everyone and freewill can coexist?
That isn't the point at all.
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260787
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Post by
MyTie
If God is truly all powerful, could he not create a universe in which absolute paradise for everyone and freewill can coexist?
That isn't the point at all.
I feel it is a legitimate question. The answer, I feel, is "I don't know".
Post by
Monday
If God is truly all powerful, could he not create a universe in which absolute paradise for everyone and freewill can coexist?
That isn't the point at all.
I feel it is a legitimate question. The answer, I feel, is "I don't know".
I don't think anyone read my post at the top of the page )=
Post by
Arathian
If God is truly all powerful, could he not create a universe in which absolute paradise for everyone and freewill can coexist?
That isn't the point at all.
I beg to differ. If you are an all-powerful god you can do anything as you are....well....all powerful.
So instead of trying to weed out, achieve balance, condemn, send prophets, make strange rules etc, why not just CREATE peace?
Post by
Adamsm
If God is truly all powerful, could he not create a universe in which absolute paradise for everyone and freewill can coexist?
That isn't the point at all.
Aye it's not; I know I wouldn't want to live in eternal paradise for all time, I would get bored and feel the need to do something else.
Post by
260787
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Post by
Monday
If God is truly all powerful, could he not create a universe in which absolute paradise for everyone and freewill can coexist?
That isn't the point at all.
I beg to differ. If you are an all-powerful god you can do anything as you are....well....all powerful.
So instead of trying to weed out, achieve balance, condemn, send prophets, make strange rules etc, why not just CREATE peace?
Free will
We have the right to choose for ourselves, he can't force us to be good. That was Satan's plan, for which he was cast out.
Post by
Skreeran
If God is truly all powerful, could he not create a universe in which absolute paradise for everyone and freewill can coexist?
That isn't the point at all.
Aye it's not; I know I wouldn't want to live in eternal paradise for all time, I would get bored and feel the need to do something else.Unless god created you not to get bored, and simultaneously have free will.
@Funden: If God created us, where did the evil come from?
Post by
Monday
If God created us, where did the evil come from?
The LDS church believes that we were just intelligences and God gave us form and the way to use that intelligence. However with intelligence comes rebellion and evil.
Unless god created you not to get bored, and simultaneously have free will.
Except he hasn't. We get bored all the time.
Post by
Adamsm
If God is truly all powerful, could he not create a universe in which absolute paradise for everyone and freewill can coexist?
That isn't the point at all.
Aye it's not; I know I wouldn't want to live in eternal paradise for all time, I would get bored and feel the need to do something else.Unless god created you not to get bored, and simultaneously have free will.
@Funden: If God created us, where did the evil come from?
Then that removes free will, and we're just the puppets that God/the One Creator forged; it's not really possible to be set up one way then say you have the free will to choose another.
Post by
cheezedood21
If God created us, where did the evil come from?
Not trying to nudge my way into the discussion, but my belief in the matter is this:
Evil is the absence of good.
Post by
Arathian
Question: why shouldn't god just create beings with free will that will always make the moral decisions? They could make the wrong but instead choose the moral one.
They have free will and still have no evil in their hearts.
Why was god incapable or not willing to do that?
Post by
260787
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Post by
Monday
They could make the wrong but instead choose the moral one.
That still removes free will. If they always choose the moral one because they were created that way the other option (the wrong choice) doesn't exist at all, and thus there is no free will.
Post by
Skreeran
If God created us, where did the evil come from?
Not trying to nudge my way into the discussion, but my belief in the matter is this:
Evil is the absence of good.Then why didn't he make us all good?
If God is truly all powerful, could he not create a universe in which absolute paradise for everyone and freewill can coexist?
That isn't the point at all.
Aye it's not; I know I wouldn't want to live in eternal paradise for all time, I would get bored and feel the need to do something else.Unless god created you not to get bored, and simultaneously have free will.
@Funden: If God created us, where did the evil come from?
Then that removes free will, and we're just the puppets that God/the One Creator forged; it's not really possible to be set up one way then say you have the free will to choose another.Then he's not all powerful, is he?
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