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Why is overhealing bad?
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karlusdavius
Overhealing changed with different expansions. People like to have the lowest overheal simply because it means you were efficient, however most people i see gloating about low overheal is usually lowest on healing done anyway.
Druids are amazingly low over healers simply because as 100% HP, their HoT's to not tick. A priest the other hand, can cast CoH on a group. 2 of those targets would have 100% of that heal yet the other 3 targets the smart target chosses might only have a 2% health deficit. Meaning most of that is overhealing, which leans towards the fact that maybe coh wasn't the best option.
Discipline priests in 3.0 were amazingly efficient healers and to date still are due to mitigation however, with the changes to DA the majority choose to overheal just to give that mitigation.
Overhealing can be very misleading. But in general, it shows how efficient your healing is.
(But try not to care too much, if your raid survives and you have done a shed load of overall healing, over heals don't matter)
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ignayshus
One school of thought says that efficiency is king and that you should work to drive your efficiency down as much as possible.
Another is that overheal doesn't matter, because if you cast the heal you obviously thought they needed it to prevent them from dying. Since you can't reliably predict when or if someone's going to take damage with enough accuracy to be meaningful, you're just guessing and so it's better to err on the conservative side.
Personally I think it varies by class, role, spell and for what purpose you're using said spell.
You really have to look at your overheal on every spell, determine why your overheal is what it is for that spell on that fight, and if that's acceptable or something that requires improvement.
There's no blanket answer.
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ignayshus
Healers "competing" with each other result in overhealing. Healers working together with confidence in each other don't overheal beyond 20-25% under any circumstance.
I doubted that's really true, so I went to check one of the top guilds out there.
Fusion (the owners of StratFu) just got the US 4th kill on Mimiron Hard-mode and they've got a strict 20hour maximum raid week.
So they're definitely top notch.
http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/4886568
Their overhealing over the course of the entire raid clocks in at 40-60% for holy priests, 20% for druids, 65-75% for paladins, 50% for shaman for boss fights in Uld25 with mixed Hard Modes.
This is hardly a representative sample, but I'm not going to be bothered to look further into it, as it's not my claim to prove.
I just wanted to show some people that overheal cannot be used wisely as a blanket figure to say "yes good" or "no bad".
Post by
dezziedc
I used to use this stat a fair bit to justify my competency at healing. However in the end, I don't think it really matters. Sometimes with latency you will overheal quite a bit in a raid - because someone beat you to the heal by a millisecond. Depending on the group and the other healers in the raid, a priest could overheal quite easily because you rely on longer cast times for bigger heals. Others using addons can manage healing in a team quite well (healbot for example). And if not all members have the addon then they don't work so well. As i said, there are many factors that account for overhealing that can't be easily controlled.
In the end, so long as you get through the encounter with everyone alive and you haven't run out of mana in the first minute because of spam healing, then all is good.
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OscarDivine
You're an idiot. Dig deeper.
End Transmission.
Thanks, but I've got you figured out.
Okay guys enough mud slinging. Ig, you have single-handedly turned our forum into a string of urinating contests. I'm getting pretty sick of it to be quite honest. Despite honest attempts at turning conversations civil by myself and Karl, it looks like these forums are going to crap. Please guys, grow up and have civil conversation or GTFO.
We aren't being productive here anymore. If you notice, This thread turned to 100% useless cack fighting once you started responding to other peoples' responses because you respond in such an offensive and pugnacious way that you tick people off. You're poisoning our forums, please stop.
Again, I'm going to ask you politely, just stop and read what you write, think about it, and ask yourself if you're offending anybody before you spew it out.
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as for the post,
if you find yourself running oom, then check your overheals. Priests have the most varied range of healing spells availble and knowing the correct time and place to use them is esstential.
Overhealing can come from having a high ping. Clicking theheal button 0.2 secs slower than any other healer can cause you to overheal as well.
Blizzard have stated that when tanks have over 50% avoidance, they should be getting hit twice as hard - there are going to be times when overhealing is the best choice as it ensures your target lives.
If you really want to compare meters then make sure you compare yourself with another healer that is the same class, healing the same targets (tank/raid/special), similar gear levels and similar ping levels
Post by
DSitC
Overhealing happens. ;-)
As a rule of thumb: If you don't run out of mana and your assignements do not die, your overhealing does not matter.
Side note: A druids overheal is not accurate. Hot's ticking at full health do not show in the combat log, true. But that does not mean that part of the mana used to cast the HoT spell is not wasted this way. Yes, I know, that's not the point with Hots, they should be cast in a pro-active way, but I just wanted to mention it. :-P
Overhealing is generally tied very closely to the healing role (tank, raid, etc...) that you will perform. So, if you evaluate overhealing, take class and a role/assignement into account. Many classes have talents that make them benefit from letting a heal land regardless of the target(s) being topped of.
PS: A raid with only healers that produce 0% overhealing is going to wipe during the first 30 seconds of nearly any encounter. ^^
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Despite honest attempts at turning conversations civil by myself and Karl
it's still strange that i get called by my actual name lol
Post by
soadrokr
overhealing can be very bad
for instance, in my old guild we had a priest who was a friend of the gm's and they insited on bringing her everywhere, even tho none of the healers wanted to heal with her, she would be by
far
the lowest on heal meters, i mean liek the 2nd lowest on the meters would have 3 times as much healing as her, , when my guild started using wow web stats a ret pally had more effective heals than her, 74% of her own heals were overheals, and people were dieing because the other healers couldnt make up for her slack when already using 1 or 2 less healers than normal, to this day i still cant figure out exactly what she
was
healing to get that much overhealing, and she completely ignored any of the other priests attemtps to help her out, basiclly had the attitude that what she was doing was right simply because she was doing it
theres an example of a bad healer, doing bad overhealing
however overhealing can also not be that big of a deal, if your not going oom and no ones dieing, then its not hurting anything
but it could
so its best to try and practice doing as little overhealing as possible, but never at the cost of doing too little healing and having people die
if your new to healing first just try and heal everyone, and dont worry about overheals unless you constantly out of mana, then when you get more comfortable with healing, work on getting your overhealing down
overhealing is also bad when peopel do a ton of overhealing then brag how their top in meters, im usually the top on the heal meter and lowest on the overheal meter, so you dont need to exsesivly overheal to get there
so yes, its better to overheal than miss a heal and someone die, but things dont always happen as they are suposed to in runs, so you can never really be 100% positive you wont go oom, so just practice being efficient and find a balance with your heals and overheals
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