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Why is arcane better than Frostfire?
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Achloryn
Having been to a few raids and being told countless, unimaginable times by plenty of other "Expert" mages that I'm a "wtfnubl2p nub" because I'm not arcane and then blowing them out of the water by 900+ dps on every boss fight. I have to ask.
WHY is everyone getting a boner over arcane?
Frostfire, for me without buffs crits for 12k damage, and considering I'm sitting at 45% crit unbuffed (glyph, talents) I have to wonder why people like arcane so much. Is it because of the easy rotation, 4x AB, AM, repeat? Or is it simply because of the 60% damage buff.
I rather like Frostfire and plan to stick to it for as long as I can but it really $%^&es me off seeing arcane mages act so smug in raids and heroics because they have better cooldowns.
frostfire is extremely subject to RNG. however, if you enjoy it and you're pulling out good numbers that can shut those smug sons of ^&*!@es up, then by all means continue to do so and enjoy it.
arcane is -in theory and simcraft - the top DPS spec, and to a lot of e-peen people "top" translates to "only" DPS spec, so expect to run into a lot of that mentality. My mage has been arcane for the most part since wrath was released, and I play him that way cause I enjoy it, not for e-peen or for the large numbers (but the large numbers are helpful), but because I enjoy it... that's really all that matters. if you get kicked out of pugs cause you're playing "lolfrostfire" then it's not a pug you wanna be involved with in the first place. if you're getting arrogant pricks of mages who are telling you l2playnub for you being frostfire, and you're continuing to silence them after each boss fight, then continue to do so... and enjoy every little moment you can post the recount meters for those retards who don't know how to play their class.
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Necrotth
The way I see it is that it's a game we play for fun. So just stick with the spec you enjoy. I enjoy the arcane playstyle and have been arcane since wotlk, through the good and the bad times. Everyone said to me "wtfnubl2p nub" for not speccing fire, and I often had more dps than fire mages that I would end up raiding with.
I had a frostfire mage in a totc25 group recently and he blew every other DPS off the charts every fight.
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Nullifidian
Umm.. if you're a frostfire mage beating an arcane mage in dps then the arcane mage must be: a) very undergeared or b) the arcane mage is just bad. Arcane puts out far more damage then frostfire does (there's about a 1k dps difference in my own experience). And besides if you want to go fire then why not go arcane/fire? (20/51/0). It also puts out more dps then frostfire. People in pugs are probably wondering why on earth your speced frostfire because it is the lowest dps spec for mages at the moment. Whether you beat them in dps or not is irrelevant. Fact is, if you and another mage had the exact same gear and one speced arcane and you speced frostfire, the arcane one would win every time (provided the arcane mage knew what they were doing).
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Meggie
It changes with every patch, on purpuse. Mage is a pure dps class and it would get pretty boring to bash fireball for 2 years would it.
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StrangerWifCandy
Why does anyone even care in the first place?
It's a pug.
You're not wiping.
PvE is even easier than minesweeper.
If one of the above isn't true, then yeah, maybe you'll need to revise your spec, for the sake of guild progression or something.
Otherwise, just keep your mouth shut about other players, and /roll on your loot.
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aerion
imo frost still will have a long way to go before its competitive in a riad envorinment, and to be perfectly honest i dont know why it has to be, its fine for us to have a pvp.levelling tree that is not a raid focus or what would be the point of arcane...
Idunno, maybe because it actually might be fun? Have you ever considered playing the style you LIKE as opposed to the style that's the current patches flavor? Is it really that hard to imagine somebody playing a class in a game for fun instead of playing it for the number crunchers and their imposed "acceptable" parameters?
I loved frost from the moment I started playing it. In BC I was frost for most everything I did, in WoTLK I was frost for leveling and dungeon farming; but alas frost did not keep up with the damage I needed to do for some things in raiding.
While it's true that my endless mana supply and my sheer immortality offered by frost often left me being the sole survivor of a few fights, it just didn't feel right. That's when arcane came into play. At the time frostfire was the hype, but I didn't like it one bit, mainly because it asked for a lot of hit rating that I didn't have, so I tried arcane instead and never looked back on any variation of fire.
Arcane is very mobile, insanely powerful if played correctly, less dependent on hit, adds more mana and spell power, but most of all it's FUN.
It wasn't the best build, it wasn't the most efficient, it wasn't looked well upon; but it was my play style, and when 3.2.2 hit I was grinning from ear to ear because I knew those same people that were making fun of arcane would all be switching to it.
Now when 3.3 hits frost will get some buffs to it's damage output as opposed to grinding/PvP usefulness, and I'm loving it. Can't wait to test it out with my guildies and see how it does.
TL;DR
play whatever feels right for you, don't even consider changing stuff because it's "better" by someone elses standard... however don't be totally opposed to constructive criticism either
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thalazyrican
if you dont mind me asking how much dps are you pulling? and can u post your toon plz
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Madmick
Why does anyone even care in the first place?
It's a pug.
You're not wiping.
PvE is even easier than minesweeper.
If one of the above isn't true, then yeah, maybe you'll need to revise your spec, for the sake of guild progression or something.
Otherwise, just keep your mouth shut about other players, and /roll on your loot.
QFT.
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