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Why exactly did we have to kill Illidan?
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Post by
UraRenge
I've seriously been trying to figure this one out for a while.
I mean, what did he do on Outland that made him deserve it? Kael and Vashj were the ones destroying the remainder of Outland to get more power. Killing them was justified.
Illidan just.....kinda sat there and brooded. I mean yes, he is The Betrayer, but Malfurion forgave him before he left for Outland.
Was it because he said we weren't prepared, and weren't gonna take that?
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Post by
Nordigo
He also attacked Shattrath city for no apparent reason, which united both the Naaru, Horde and Alliance alike to deal with him - life in Outland is hard enough without at nutter trying to destroy the only safe haven in that world.
What I think is that, altough he is a tragic character in a sense, he was by no means someone you should feel sorry for. He was in the end so badly corrupted by Fel that his judgement was nearly gone, he was going insane, and by the looks of it, was a terrible ruler for Outland, generally being an abusive prick to his subordinates.
Aand of course there was the Maiev storyline to wrap up in the end.
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Post by
Haxzor
Who gives a f*** about Outlands.
Illidan is as alive as Kael
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Post by
markie
He has epix. Enuf reason to kill him
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Post by
minimeii
He has epix. Enuf reason to kill him
It's all about the Professor Plums!
That's a Clue reference to purple.
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Post by
Dave21480
I've seriously been trying to figure this one out for a while.
I mean, what did he do on Outland that made him deserve it? Kael and Vashj were the ones destroying the remainder of Outland to get more power. Killing them was justified.
Illidan just.....kinda sat there and brooded. I mean yes, he is The Betrayer, but Malfurion forgave him before he left for Outland.
Was it because he said we weren't prepared, and weren't gonna take that?
Well, Keal and Vasj are his lieutenants. His plan was to go to outlands and bring every living thing under his control. So Kael and Vasj are working for him, gaining power for him. Vasj actually is still down with queen azhara(sp?) but thinks illidan is peachy cool and has keen ideas. That's why she is in cahoots with him.
So basically everything bad happening is either burning legion born, or crazy pants illidan trying to become supreme overlord of the outlands.
Post by
JStormrage
Here's a theory based on all the lore I explored so far.
As Kael'thas, Vashj and Akama allied with Illidan, they were mearly pawns. Illidan is one of the few mortals that saw what the Burning legion is capable of, he's the only one that had the cunning to play both sides, always being a step ahead of the game. He nearly stopped the Lich Kings devastation while trying to shatter northern to pieces, he's the kind of guy for whom no cost is to much for the destruction of evil and its tools of war. Vashj has always worked for her dark masters an old god hidden in the oceans, Kael'thas addiction made him an easy target for fel corruption and unreliable ally after that. Akama, is what his race name states, a broken, he knows all to well what the powers of fel magic can do, his allegiance might still be with Illidan, and could be a strong bond at that if he was to play this charade, otherwise, he might have just been used as a sympathetic tool to convince the heroes there's a way to defeat Illidan.
Killjaeden is a master of deception, so in order to properly fight him, he needed people that were prepared, so he might have just taken the mantle of villain to help us grow as a force capable to stop the Legion, and so he did, we stopped Killjaeden entry in Azeroth. More then that his assumed death by our hands, now gives him the freedom to operate in the shadows and continue his plot against the Burning Legion. You might be surprised to see me state "he's assumed death" but keep in mind, his appearance is quite close to a dread-lord, and we all know these creatures are masters of self ressurection, and Illidan not only he understands their powers, he is stronger than they are.
I'm unsure if the cruelty he showed to the broken was needed, or the experimentations on the orcs, that seemed like a dark chapter but perhaps it was all part of his deception toward the agents of Sargeras.
It's also interesting to see he experimented with forces of life and death, just like the magic from which the Lich king was created, and he created a source of power that could heal the demons thirst of fel magic. Either way, in the most crucial moments in time, this Betrayer has proven himself by making a huge difference for the forces of light, no matter how dark is the path he's walking on.
I would expand but there's much to be said. I'm sure in time, the true story of his saga will be revealed.
Post by
Adamsm
As Kael'thas, Vashj and Akama allied with Illidan, they were mearly pawns.At first yes...but as seen; Akama was plotting against Illidan from the beginning and the Night Elf had no clue. Kael was planning on using the Tempest Keep and it's satellites to create a stable energy source for his people and then taking it back to Azeroth, leaving Illidan alone. Only Vashj may have been slightly loyal, but even she was working something for Queen Azshara. Honestly...he was an idiot to how he treated them, because that was part of the reason he fell as hard as he did.
Illidan is one of the few mortals that saw what the Burning legion is capable of, he's the only one that had the cunning to play both sides, always being a step ahead of the game.Um..yes, and it was all for personal power and glory; every single thing he did was to prove that he was better then his brother and to find a way to power.
He nearly stopped the Lich Kings devastation while trying to shatter northern to pieces, he's the kind of guy for whom no cost is to much for the destruction of evil and its tools of war. Of course, he did that because he was being threaten with death if he didn't attempt it; both attempts were orders from KJ to stop the Lich King....and as we saw, Illidan got absolutely freaking devastated when he went toe to toe with the Hand of the Lich King, Arthas. So he failed massively there; that is also the reason why Illidan was so broken because he couldn't believe that he had failed so miserably.
Killjaeden is a master of deception, so in order to properly fight him, he needed people that were prepared, so he might have just taken the mantle of villain to help us grow as a force capable to stop the Legion, and so he did, we stopped Killjaeden entry in Azeroth.*BZZZT* Nope! Illidan made the Illidari forces for one reason: To keep himself alive. He was terrified that KJ was going to come and execute him just as he promised. Sure he tells that they were gathered to invade Azeroth...but yeah, no. Since his forces spend just as much time fighting the Legion forces and Doomwalker is attempting to batter down the gates to the Black Temple while Illidan hides inside, that tells you something.
More then that his assumed death by our hands, now gives him the freedom to operate in the shadows and continue his plot against the Burning Legion.You mean: 'Please don't kill me please don't kill me please don't kill me' is suppose to be a plot against them?
You might be surprised to see me state "he's assumed death" but keep in mind, his appearance is quite close to a dread-lord, and we all know these creatures are masters of self ressurection, and Illidan not only he understands their powers, he is stronger than they are. Actually he doesn't; his demonic form only has two things in common with a Dreadlord, which are wings and hooves...and a lot of demonic races have those traits. He is dead and gone and thank the Naaru he'll hopefully never return for the rest of the Warcraft life span because he was just a mortal at this point.
I'm unsure if the cruelty he showed to the broken was needed, or the experimentations on the orcs, that seemed like a dark chapter but perhaps it was all part of his deception toward the agents of Sargeras. He showed cruelty because if he didn't, they would have rose up against him sooner and not provided a meat shield wall for him to keep him alive for that much longer.
It's also interesting to see he experimented with forces of life and death, just like the magic from which the Lich king was created, and he created a source of power that could heal the demons thirst of fel magic. Either way, in the most crucial moments in time, this Betrayer has proven himself by making a huge difference for the forces of light, no matter how dark is the path he's walking on.He didn't create a source of magic that could heal the Fel Thirst...he made it worse; he is the one who introduced Kael and the Blood Elves to feeding on demonic energy and started the whole larger corruption of the race; had the Naaru not helped to reignite the Sunwell, they'd still be stuck with the monkey on their back to consume Fel energy. As for necromancy...same deal; just attempting to make more bodies to protect himself.
I would expand but there's much to be said. I'm sure in time, the true story of his saga will be revealed.His true story is simple: He sucked at being a druid so he went back to being a mage because he couldn't stand his brother being better at something then he was because he was special because of his eye colour. He then betrayed everyone for power during the War of the Ancients. He then betrayed the Highborne to try to make himself look better in the eyes of Tyrande but that failed. He re-made the Well because he didn't think he should have to give up his powers. He absorbed the Skull of Gul'dan on the say so of two members of the Scourge and then fought a dreadlord causing more destruction to what would become Felwood. He was given an order by KJ to destroy Northrend or else, and had he succeeded in that, he would have caused an even greater disaster since that would have killed all of the free peoples there, destroyed the Basin's bio dome, woke up the Titan watchers early and probably would have freed Yogg-Saron from his prison even faster. He went to Outland and conquered it but then again, KJ showed up and told him he had once last chance or else the Deceiver was going to rip his spine out through his mouth if he went personally to Northrend to kill the Lich King....and he failed horribly as he had his ass kicked by a de-powered Arthas. He returned to Outland broken and insane over that loss, created the Illidari to protect himself then locked himself in the Temple and brooded for 5 years while his commanders plotted and planned against him and how to destroy him.
Yeah..some 'noble' saga; thank the Naaru he is dead and gone.
Post by
JStormrage
You're not taking into account 10 000 years of events :)
Anyway watch this, you might see some things you missed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URaFJt7gQwM
But if what you say is at is, there's only one way he'll redeem himself, being resurrected, cleansed of corruption and cast against the legion in a new legendary plot line.
Would have been cooler if indeed he just outsmarted "Killjaeden". I still find it hilarious he would fear him so much, as he's not even near Azeroth.
Post by
Adamsm
You're not taking into account 10 000 years of events :)
Anyway watch this, you might see some things you missed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URaFJt7gQwM
But if what you say is at is, there's only one way he'll redeem himself, being resurrected, cleansed of corruption and cast against the legion in a new legendary plot line.
Would have been cooler if indeed he just outsmarted "Killjaeden". I still find it hilarious he would fear him so much, as he's not even near Azeroth.
.....You mean where he sat the dark in prison for 10 thousand years doing absolutely nothing except driving Maiev insane with his ramblings? Hate to tell you this, but KJ showed up twice on Outland to personally threaten the Emo-King; that is why he was scared &*!@less of the big red demon, because at any time he could show up and rip his spine out through his mouth....if he was feeling nice. Don't forget, for fun, when KJ captured Ner'zhul after the second war and when Draenor went ka-boom, he slowly and painfully pulled the orc apart bit by bit before sealing his soul into the Armour of the Damned. If you don't fear KJ, you are asking for death. Also, please, Illidan is too stupid to outsmart his own brother who is the king of redemption; there is no way in hell he can out think the demon with the title 'Deceiver'.
Also: I know the Lore of Illidan, I've read the War of the Ancients books, played Warcraft 3 and the Frozen Throne, did all of the quests in Outland. He's not a hero, he's a zero who has always had an inferiority complex in regards to his brother, been lusting after his brother wife even though she has made it clear multiple times she just likes him as a friend, and has a major issue with being a megalomaniac. There isn't anything to redeem in that selfish man-child; leave him dead and buried because if he came back, he would just betray the army and join up with the Legion again if they offered him even the smallest amount of power. He has never in his life done a single selfless act; every thing has been about power, glory or making his brother look bad.
Post by
cephadex
Anti-Illidan rant
I must say, I find it refreshing to see him so deeply criticized. I always felt Illidan's story was written (and empathized with) by all these guys who "were in love with some woman who was so delicate and beautiful, but of course she chose this other jerk
for absolutely no logical reason
even though he was
no better than I was
, and then I tried so hard at life, but everyone
hated
me because they're jerks, but they didn't understand that this whole time I was only trying to do what was best, but no one knew that but me, and finally they all drove me away and the bad things I did I only did because I was
forced
to, but I couldn't tell anyone, and now I just want everyone to leave me alone, and even though I rescued this beautiful woman I love she still chose that other jerk instead of me because he's just
so perfect
, and now I just isolate myself because
no one understands meeeee...
"
(Seriously, if that story was written by a woman, it would go like this: these two twin guys liked this girl, so she chose both of them, because hey,
twins
).
Honestly, I'm pleasantly surprised some of you don't fanboy over him.
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Post by
Monday
But his abs guys.
WHY DID WE HAVE TO MURDER THAT BEAUTIFUL CHEST.
I was going to mention his pecs, but close enough.
Post by
Adamsm
I take offense that you term saying the truth a rant :P
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