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Why does Holy Libram sucks but ret/prot is leet?
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Brique
It's quite simple really, if you don't like a piece of equipment because it doesn't fit your playstyle, don't use it instead of making posts saying "omg this libram sux cuz i cant/don't want to use it" because that's exactly what he's saying.
Then what is there to talk about? :But I guess you're all happy with the countless of unneeded QQ posts. forgot how much of a welfare game WoW had become.
Well yeah. :[
I'm holding off on
Libram of Veracity
. I just see better things available for Triumph badges. Constantly having 234 SP would be dandy, I'd sure like it, but the thing about it is that keeping up certain buffs while you're healing can kill a tank. This libram can be inactive at just the wrong time, and if you're intending to refresh it, you might kill someone by casting Holy Light instead of FoL or Holy Shock. It's happened to me more times than I can count. And I'm not worrying about refreshing any buffs.
The DPS and Tank librams are active in a normal rotation or FCFS basis. It's sorta stupid to try and apply the same logic to something as hard to measure or predict as healing.
I can't think of any time I've avoided using Holy Light for 15 seconds, so I imagine this libram would be active at least 80% of the time. I'd really prefer another passive libram that would have a strong mana saving component, because I'm never really stressed by "Oh my god that tank needs a huge huge heal! Golly gee! He probably needs a bigger heal than I can cast!"
I'm very confident I can heal through any encounter that Trial of the Crusader has
without
the 200 extra SP this libram has to offer. This is a very nice libram. I'd have preferred something different.
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valundar
What you can do is entirely not the point.
The point is that if you look at other librams it's what they would do anyway.
You don't see a prot paladin saying, "hmm I want more dodge so I think I will use hammer of the righteous!"
No, he'll do it anyway because it's just part of what he would do anyway.
With 4 piece T8/8.5 and spec'd into prot, I barely cast holy lights as it is on 10 man hard modes with only 2 healers.
And pezz, it's not about what you can get away with.
You're offering some sort of a solution-based argument about either "not needing it' or that "doing it deliberately won't matter so what's the big deal" to somehow discount the underlying idiotic design of the libram.
Casting Holy Light isn't any more of a decision than casting HotR. If the fight calls for bigger heals, then you'll get the extra spell power.
and...
With 4 piece T8/8.5 and spec'd into prot, I barely cast holy lights as it is on 10 man hard modes with only 2 healers.
You're a prot healer and you're complaining about gear specifically made for holy?
The point you're missing (or perhaps ignoring) is to get the effect of the libram with maximum uptime, do you have to alter what you would normally do to get the effect of the libram?
Casting holy lights every 15 seconds til a proc goes off, then doing it again to refresh is not a normal way to heal. That you might get a proc because some fights require you to use some holy lights is entirely missing the point.
Having SoV/SoCorr tick its DoT requires nothing other than using the seal to begin with.
HotR is a normal part of the tanking rotation and will probably be used on every single CD (6 seconds).
And spec'd into prot...you know like a 52/19/0 holy/prot build -- perhaps you go with 71/0/0 but all the holy paladins I've known either spec into protection or retribution to fill out the spec.
Even as a FoL spammer, you should be aiming to keep up lights grace anyways for those times when the sh** hits the fan.
If you do that, then this libram will be monstrous for the rest of your FoL spam.
Apparently you were ignoring lights grace...
Edit: My spelling is terribad.
Further thought on edit:
I believe that this may actually be a partial answer to the illumination nerf.
Imagine this: the additional massive ammount of spellpower will help to offset the more FoL you need to do to maintain your mana, by making them more effective.
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Brique
My question is does Divine Illumination stack with the Heroic Relic? Or should I try for the Valorous one?
Divine Illumination? I know Paladin talents are confusing, I think you mean Illumination.
Yes it does. The return from Illumination is 382 Mana even with the Libram that decreases the cost.
Even as a FoL spammer, you should be aiming to keep up lights grace anyways for those times when the sh** hits the fan.
No. Absolutely not.
As much as I condone keeping certain buffs active, I don't even do this. It should be second nature to be healing damage that's incoming, and noticing when to use certain spells and when not too, just for your mana's sake.
Vezax is a good example. Super-minor raid damage, and occasional burst healing on the tank, with zero regen. If you're trying to keep Light's Grace active, then you're stupid. Because wasting mana is stupid on that fight. It can be applied to any other encounter. I do not even CARE if Light's Grace is active or not, I'm still casting Holy Light, and reacting to incoming damage and finding my new target for healing regardless of it being up. Light's Grace is not something you should actively seek to keep up, and neither should this libram.
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