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Why do you hate PVP items so much?
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Post by
Ozez
I am freakin &*!@ed off, since I was kicked for second time from VOA raid last night.
And you know why? Because someone said I was PVP geared…
I am full epic, from 17 equipped items, I have 6 pvp epic items and that’s not a problem to make 2300-2700 DPS in raids, and you tell me I cant raid… WTF?
Why blue quest rewards and heroics items are preferred instead of lvl 213 epic pvp items? I know resilience is pointless in PVE, but all the other stats are pretty good and much better then lvl 187 and 200 blues.
And the insane Wintergrasp paradox! Ppl win WG because of some dedicated PVP players, and guess what – they are not invited to the celebration party, while other PVE noobs keep dueling behind the walls, scared to go fight and die, WTF? Why pvp players get kicked from VOA raids, when even the boss inside drops PVP items.
Why are ppl so blind?
Post by
Gymnos
http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=4;gm=3;gb=1;wt=134:21:117:96:103:114:119:77;wtv=4.16:1.97:1.88:1.58:1.41:1.34:1.20:1
That link is a ranking of gear for rogues from
here
. The ranking doesn't work properly with weapons and trinkets.
Notice how the ilevel 200 blue cloak is better than the ilevel 226 epic cloak. If you look through the tabs, you'll notice the general trend that PvP gear is lackluster compared to PvE gear. For a rogue, this is generally because stats are used on resilience and stamina versus more important stats (hit, expertise.) I'm not sure what class you play, but you're lacking out on a lot by using pvp gear. Also, less than 3000 dps isn't that good, though maybe for a 10 man Naxx or VoA. If you're epic'd out except for using 6 pieces of PvP gear, I'd figure you're able to pull a bit more.
Oh, and I usually do WG in my PvE gear since I'd generally explode unless I was in a pack of other people (w/ healers) anyway. So no, it's not just dedicated PvP players.
Post by
Haxzor
Bosses have a higher chance to be missed
Post by
DeathBlood
Aside from comparing the exact stats of PvP gear to PvE gear, and seeing that PvP gear has less important raiding stats like resilience and more stamina, keep in mind the people. Many PvE'ers really don't like PvP much. So to see someone with PvP gear on could be insulting. It automatically alienates you. And the hardcore PvE'ers might question your PvE skill and dedication. There could even be deep, inner, nerd rage from being pwned by skilled PvP'ers that they will take out on you by kicking you from the group.
Maybe that's a little farfetched. Inner anger from being pwned. But yes, it alienates you, and you will be hated for that. And more practically, PvP gear does have resilience and stamina, which aren't really useful for raiding, and also crit rating for burst, when raiders should be focusing more on longer duration fights.
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Post by
Kalisha
The problem isn't that you have resilience or that other players have some great hatred for anyone wearing PvP gear (that's one of the silliest things I've ever heard) - it's the fact that you lack other stats that are needed. Specifically hit rating. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly sure PvP gear isn't going to get you anywhere near being hit capped for PvE purposes. You can get by with
fair
dps on trash mobs without it, but it's going to significantly impact your dps on a boss.
Yeah, it sucks that you get kicked out of raids and I feel for you. The thing is that the people putting these raids together want to stack the odds in their favor to cut down on the frustration that comes along with wrangling a pug. Someone in PvP gear is a liability.
Post by
Ozez
Thanks for your comments.
We all know whats the difference between PVE and PVP gear, its obviouse, there is no need to explain.
The point is, that people with PVP gear deserve to go to VOA. If the raid succeed – GG all. If the raid wipe 2 times, low dps ppl have to leave alone, if they don’t, then they will be removed kindly from the raid.
Last night I did good in VOA 25, and there ware ppl with even green lvl 156 items, and everything went well.
I am a fury warrior, so I will never be in top 5 dps without full valor set.
That’s the armory:
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Neptulon&n=Sickfreak
I changed deadly bracers for valor last night.
I think that the reason ppl get kicked from VOA maybe is because ppl from your class, closer the raid leader, tell him to kick you, so they can get the loot, that’s lame ffs.
Post by
anywherenotes
See that's the whole point, 2.3k - 2.7k dps is low.
I got a brand new 80, he's only geared in level 80 blues (not heroic blues, just from regular instances) and as much boe epic gear as I could by off AH. I'm doing 2.4k dps in 25-man voa. That's with no BOP epics, no raiding epics, and no heroic items. You're doing slightly better in full epics. That's the reason people don't like pvp epics.
Post by
Nikanoru237
I don't PvP, but I would expect the same reaction from PvPers if I tried to walk in to Wintergrasp or a BG wearing my PVE gear. "GTFO , nub".
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Post by
Magnett
The point is, that people with PVP gear deserve to go to VOA. If the raid succeed – GG all. If the raid wipe 2 times, low dps ppl have to leave alone, if they don’t, then they will be removed kindly from the raid.
Let me put it this way.
During WG itself, or even a BG, if you were with a bunch of PvE geared people just getting themselves killed in two shots (and let's not count stuff like Rogues that can do decently in PvE gear), wouldn't you think to yourself "those guys should wear PvP gear already"?
I am a fury warrior, so I will never be in top 5 dps without full valor set.
If you're in a raiding guild? Maybe not. If you're pugging VoA? If you know what you're doing, which you should because Fury barely even has a rotation at all, you definitely will.
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Post by
Deepthought
The guy who kicked you was an idiot. Your DPS is fine for VoA, and quite frankly, in VoA25 on Emalon, PvP gear is quite strong due to all the AoE damage. A PvP item will keep you alive, the PvE blue will get you killed (Since your DPS is mid-high 2k, we can assume mainly nax geared, so you HP isn't that high, so a bad C-lightning will 1shot you possibly). You just had a !@#got of a raid lead. They exist in great numbers, so you must learn to deal with it.
Whether it has resiliance or not is irrelevant. Tell me, you have 2 weapons to choose from:
Demise
or
Mighty PvP Sword
. Its no contest that a PvP item is better (Though we are taking Ulduar 25 PvP equivlent v Nax 10 item). Would you kick someone DPSing with this in VoA?
The thing is rarely do I ever see someone with furious tier 2 weapons, and furious armor. I usually see this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=813
mixed with
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42217
/
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42216
Which is funny, because the blue Savage weapons never made it to live.
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