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Whirlwind in defensive stance (what if)
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Sakkura
F**king waste of rage (& GCD). Cleave > Whilrwind
I got plenty of things to push while aoe tanking. No GCDs left for crappy Whirlwind
Err what? The only AoE abilities that use a GCD are thunder clap and shockwave, and they're both on cooldowns that leave the majority of GCDs open. Cleave is not on the GCD, and would most likely be less rage-efficient than whirlwind with 4+ mobs in range.
However, I don't think whirlwind suits defensive stance well.
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dos246
I think we've got enough tools for AOE tanking that adding that wouldn't really be much of a benefit. We don't excel at it as well as say a pally but we aren't lacking to the point where it's actually an issue.
Jay
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Shiverlynn
It wouldn't be crappier than TC I think, and TC isn't crap. But as others have said, we don't have much multitanking threat issues right now so it's not needed.
Maybe with a glyph though. Glyph of Whirlwind - Your Whirlwind is now usable in any stance (some Arms AoE love too) would be interesting and actually a choice to make.
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Shiverlynn
Imp Cleave? Now that's not needed at all. "Increases by 120% the
bonus
damage of your Cleave", note bonus and not total. So you get something like 250 more damage per Cleave at max rank, before enemy armor reduction. Ya know what? I'd rather have WW.
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Porcell
AOE tank problems? I use
this
for stuff like the Ony whelps. Yes, I do and it works. Its weird to get used to, but spamming cleave, thunderclap and starting with an initial retaliation helps out a lot. Also, put vigilance on whoever is helping you by AoEing them down. I usually choose a lock.
You actually use that spec?
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Shiverlynn
4 normal hits against 4 different mobs, with WW, is still better than a Devastate agains one single mob, when it comes to multitanking. Devastate won't help you with AoE threat, WW will.
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Sakkura
I meant that while aoe tanking you do normal single mob hits as well. I dont see how weapon damage over 4 mobs is going to be better than Devastate (with or without glyph of Sunder). Unless these are mobs like whelps, which die fast (but even whelps dont).
You like whirlwind-like abilities while tanking?
Roll a
paladin
. That, i'd take any day.
Whirlwind
- no thanks.
Whirlwind on 4 mobs is going to be clearly better than devastate or revenge. Could beat out shield slam as well.
I mean, both whirlwind and devastate do 100% weapon damage. The latter has an innate threat bonus and a small amount of extra damage, the former hits 4 targets, effectively doing 400% weapon damage when there are enough targets. I'm pretty sure an extra 300% weapon damage beats the bonuses on devastate.
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skumbananer
WW would rock in def stance. But you actually can use almost whirlwind - bladestorm if your arms. Bladestorm in def stance rocks for aoe threath.
Start in battlestance (fully dps geared with a 232+dps 2h) pop sweeping strikes and retaliation, switch to def stance and bladestorm. The aoe threat on a small pack of mobs is insane. (then you die, but nvm that, you did great aoe threat for a while)
To the guy who posted the specc, imp cleave in all glory, but i think
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#LAM00fZhbZVIzrxMzidIzsGo:Mdc0mc
would beat your specc any day for aoe (and single target) hate. Imagine hit capped, 26+expertise and some 2,5k block value, 2 pieces t7,5 and 2 pieces t8,5.
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