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What's with the blood-elves?
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Post by
Rankkor
I really don't get these plp.
first of all, if kael'tas has betrayed them all, why haven't they replaced the multiple statues of him in and arround eversong woods?
why haven't they crowned a new king? loth'remar was a regent lord till kael'tas returned, but hey, bolvar was a regent lord till varian returned, and as soon as varian came back, bolvar gave his position to the king.
now on the case of the blood-elves, their king is not comming back, (well, we never know, magister's terrace could be merely a set-back) but he's not intrested in silvermoon, or his people anymore.
he betrayed them over the legion, and he's not comming back.
so what the hell are they waiting for? why not elect a new king? why not apoint loth'remar teron as king?
furthermore........
there is a reason why high-elves and blood-elves are so diferent than each other.
both were born with the adiction to magic, but the diference is that high-elves quench that thirst with arcane sources, and blood-elves quenched that thirst with fel magic sources.
however, the sunwell has been restored, the blood-elves, redeemed, they no longer use fel magic to sate their thirst,. they use the sunwell for that (they still have warlocks, who practice fel magic, but their thirst is sated by the sunwell as everyone else is)
if the high-elves fed on the sunwell in the past, and the blood-elves feed on the sunwell, why haven't they reconciled?
I never understood why high-elves remained loyal to the alliance, garithos expelled them from the alliance, and tried to mass execute them, so they resent kael'thas for accepting a naga to escape? (nevermind what kael'thas did later, but what he initially did was not a crime, it was saving his people)
so, this animosity between high and blood elves eludes me. I just don't get it (having done quests for the silver covenant and sunreavers they hate their guts out of each other)
I just don't get these peeps.
just kiss and make up, and reconcile, pff this is like when the US was on civil war.
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Post by
Rankkor
take this in consideration, since blood-elves no longer feed on fel magic, only this generation will have the "green eyes" over time, future blood-elves will be born with blue eyes.
then what will be the diference between blood and high elvenship?
their separation is as weird as it's ilogical specially the high-elves devotion to the alliance, garitos almost wiped out their entire race, and they still are happy to be boot-lickers.
I mean really, has vereesa even heard of what garitos did to her homeland?
Post by
Adamsm
High Elf
Blood Elf
There is a difference between the two, but your forgetting something Rankkorr, the Sin'dori served with Garthios not the High Elves.
Post by
Patty
Blood Elves see High Elves as traitors, and probably always will do.
Quel'thalas was steamrolled by the Scourge, and in the eyes of a Sin'dorei, the Quel'dorei fled with their tails between their legs when Quel'thalas needed them most. Similarly, the High Elves cling to the Alliance because they feel the Blood Elves abandoned their sanity and culture. See the issue? The statues aren't just of him - but it is Blizzard being lazy.
The King mightn't be coming back - But you have to realise that it is very difficult to do things whilst in chaos. Yes, they no longer have a monarchy, but the Blood Elves are fighting the Scourge and Burning Legion - It is too difficult to form a new government in unstable times.
Kael'thas would not see what he did as betrayal, but for the good of his people. He was siphoning the Netherstorm to feed his people with. Basically, he would have dumped it right next to Silvermoon to sate the Elves' magic addiction.
But, I must admit - The story needs to develop! I would see Lady Liadrin as Queen if a monarch was re-appointed and there were no Sunstriders left, but I think it would be better to overhaul the entire government. As I say, this is difficult when you are fighting, both home and abroad.
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Post by
Patty
I wouldn't - It would probably end up as decadant and corrupt as the House of Nobles did.
Post by
HiVolt
Kael'thas would not see what he did as betrayal, but for the good of his people. He was siphoning the Netherstorm to feed his people with. Basically, he would have dumped it right next to Silvermoon to sate the Elves' magic addiction.
You are referring to before we found out he was a lieutenant to Kil'jaeden, and trying to summon him through the Sunwell, yes?
I think at that point, the only thing that he cared about was MOAR POWAR!
Post by
Adamsm
Kael'thas would not see what he did as betrayal, but for the good of his people. He was siphoning the Netherstorm to feed his people with. Basically, he would have dumped it right next to Silvermoon to sate the Elves' magic addiction.
You are referring to before we found out he was a lieutenant to Kil'jaeden, and trying to summon him through the Sunwell, yes?
I think at that point, the only thing that he cared about was MOAR POWAR!
That's the thing though... even when he joined the Legion, he was still thinking of his people; he was actually plotting ways to take control of the Demons and turn them into batteries to be consumed by the Blood Elves.
Post by
Patty
Yes, but even after the Tempest keep
incident
setback, he allied with the Burning Legion so he could protect his people, or he would see it as that.
Post by
HiVolt
Yeah, I didn't think of it like that. And I didn't realize he wanted to use the demons as mana batteries. I knew he was doing it up at Kil'jaeden's Throne, but I didn't realize that the idea spanned to all of the Blood Elves.
Anyway, yeah a new king/queen should be appointed, definitely.
Post by
Adamsm
Yeah, I didn't think of it like that. And I didn't realize he wanted to use the demons as mana batteries. I knew he was doing it up at Kil'jaeden's Throne, but I didn't realize that the idea spanned to all of the Blood Elves.
Anyway, yeah a new king/queen should be appointed, definitely.
It's strange, because of all that 'it was just a setback' nonsense, most of Kael's reasons for joining with both Illidan and the Legion were eclipsed. He was one of the better villains that Blizzard has come up with; Illidan is one dimensional, the crazy depressed power mad junkie, and Vashj... Vashj still makes no sense except for being a shade of Azshara and in love with her Queen... literally. Heh and yeah they do.
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HiVolt
I never understood why high-elves remained loyal to the alliance, garithos expelled them from the alliance, and tried to mass execute them, so they resent kael'thas for accepting a naga to escape? (nevermind what kael'thas did later, but what he initially did was not a crime, it was saving his people)
Neither the High Elves in the Alliance nor the Blood Elves in Quel'thelas suffered under Garithos; the ones that did are the ones that we kill in Outland. None of the playable blood elves suffered under him, and I haven't seen any quests that even mention him.
You make a good point, but what resonates through the soldiery resonates through the populace, in Warcraft... so it seems.
The mere act of punishing them for what they believed to be their only choice in couple of situations was enough to give them animosity toward the Alliance, I guess.
They probably also felt that not receiving aid from Ironforge and Stormwind while they were trying to rebuild Silvermoon was a pretty reprehensible act as well. Then again, I'm not sure about the circumstances around that. I knew that the High Elves had become the Blood Elves before the rebuilding process began, but I've never heard anything of aid they might have received in the effort, other than from the Forsaken in Tranquillien.
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Post by
whichwitch
But, I must admit - The story needs to develop! I would see Lady Liadrin as Queen if a monarch was re-appointed and there were no Sunstriders left, but I think it would be better to overhaul the entire government. As I say, this is difficult when you are fighting, both home and abroad.
Personally, Liadrin rubs me the wrong way. I think she had something to do with the Felblood attack on Silvermoon, and then went crawling to Shattrath because it didn't pan out the way she'd hoped.
Just my personal opinion, and the fact that I read waaaay to much into simple conversation, possibly. >.>
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Post by
HiVolt
It's a dynasty. Not just anyone can be elected king, only a descendant of the last one. The only candidate as far as we know is Kael, who has gone bat!@#$ insane.
A dynasty that ends on such a harsh note is better left without an heir. But I see what you mean, and I understand. No with the overthrowing of a dynasty it would either take a military coup or some semi-distant relative(uncle, cousin, etc.) coming to power to create one anew.
Since the former is now impossible due to Kael'thas' demise, then only the latter could come to fruition. Since we don't know of any cousins, etc. that might be able to take up the position, I'm afraid all we might be left with is a Regent-Lord.
None can elect a monarch in the true sense of that word. Either the title is inherited, or it is taken by force by the person who wishes to have the title in question.
But this leaves me to wonder...
Why wasn't Kael crowned as King just after his father's death? In WC3 we still see him as "Prince" Kael'thas, even though his father would have already been dead by that point.
Perhaps there
is
another heir, perhaps one that has more claim to the throne than Kael did. That would be the only conceivable reason that he was not crowned as King just after his father's passing.
Take Stormwind for example. After Varian was declared missing, his son was immediately crowned as King. Varian only has one heir, so we know why Anduin would have been crowned as such. However, Kael'thas was
not
crowned just after his father's death.
Perhaps Anasterian had a brother/sister who was first in line for the throne. Perhaps Kael has an older brother/sister we don't know about, who was first in line for the throne. Perhaps through some odd turn of events, these people were unable to be found at the time, and thus Kael could not be crowned until they had been proven to be dead.
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