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What is THE best Unholy DPS Spec?
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Post by
Sorrowbone
Hohoho, another spec topic. Flame me if you must, but we all need help don't we? ^^
Anyway. Here is my armory;
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Arathor&n=Vincenzo
As you can see, I am currently Blood / Unholy, with 44/0/27. Now, minus the new helm I got last night and the new trinket the night before, and minus the hands also, I was able to pull 3762 DPS on 25 man Sartharion. I have no idea how really, because in this new gear which has given more strength, more crit chance, and I only lost a few hit points, I cannot compare to that.
My rotation is as follows;
IT, PS, HS, HS, DS, Runic Dump usually DC, HS, HS, HS, HS.
I find it difficult to keep up with this rotation however.
When I do my Runic Dump, I usually normally have 50 or so to dump, allowed me to cast one Death Coil. This leaves me with a 3 second down time, as the first Blood Rune is still on CD. When it finishes CD I can do 4 Heart Strikes in a row. To fill in that 3 second gap I usually use another IT and PS.
Is this making the rotation go all wrong and causing a loss of DPS?
On trash I pull a hell of a lot of DPS, but trash does not matter, it's the bosses, and I feel my DPS isn't what it should be.
So, the question is, what is THE best Unholy spec?
I have seen too many variations to try them all out. I have seen ones that go deep in to Unholy, get the Gargoyle, and go into Blood for Conviction and go into Frost for Toughness.
I have seen some that go in to Unholy again for the Gargoyle, then use the rest in Frost.
I have seen specs that don't include the Gargoyle at all.
I would like to know the best Unholy DPS spec and a suitable rotation. If there are lot's of variations with similar DPS, I would like to know them all.
I do not want to go Frost, however. I tried Frost and hated it. I felt I relied way to much on things proccing for me to do my maximum DPS, and I wan't to have a spec that is constant DPS.
Thank you for reading.
Post by
Aleanos
Ok any UH pve dps builds that you've seen including any of the tanking talents (such as toughness) and excluding Gargoyle/ghoul are either tank specs, or horrible attempts to create a good UH build.
Basically:
There's 3 "common" UH dps builds floating about as of now.
17/0/54
12/0/59 (skipping dark conviction)
0/10/61 (getting Black ice in frost)
It's hard to post general builds for these as people tend to value the talents differently depending on their purpose/liking.
But when it comes to the "best" UH build, I'd say 0/10/61, this is however only valid during higher gear levels as it scales the best of all the specs previously posted.
Also, Blood is a bit more centered around single target dps, one of the reasons to why your dps might be lacking when it comes to Bosses could be because your blood build is a blood/ghoul build.
Blood/ghoul builds have, in my opinion, a scattered focus since the deeper you go into unholy the more focus you have on spells whilst blood have a greater focus on Physical damage. Resulting in a "jack of all trades, master of none" - type of build >_>
I strongly advice you fix your rotation and spec if you plan on staying blood, and bombard me with more questions concerning UH dps should you like to try it out :)
Post by
Sorrowbone
Cheers for the response mate.
Would you mind linking me these specs you have mentioned? Alongside the glyphs that would be associated with that spec, if you don't mind.
Also, if I were to stay blood, would you say get Dancing Rune Wep and drop the permanent ghoul?
Thank you.
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Post by
Sorrowbone
I would like to point out 1 quick issue with rotation. Use PS then IT, not IT then PS. IT will receive the 10% damage increase from Rage of Rivendare if Plague Strike is used prior to apply it's disease which is required for RoR to come into affect.
Aye cheers for that, but I'm not actually specced Unholy yet =P
Post by
dervasavred
Any Unholy DPS spec that gets Toughness from Frost is bad and has no idea what it wants.
12/0/59
is the fairly cookie-cutter pre-Ulduar spec.
There is still a point of contention here: since it seems you are still in 10 Naxx/Heroics for upgrades, you probably do not need IUP as badly as say, someone in 10 Uld. If you do decide to drop it, use those points in Necrosis.
Post by
Aleanos
Any Unholy DPS spec that gets Toughness from Frost is bad and has no idea what it wants.
12/0/59
is the fairly cookie-cutter pre-Ulduar spec.
Qft, and if you're going to roll with a 0/10/61 build it's more or less the same with 2 extra points into Necrosis/GF depending on personal preference.
(I still havent been able to see any figures on GF yet though, so it most likely isn't worth it)
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Post by
Sorrowbone
Any Unholy DPS spec that gets Toughness from Frost is bad and has no idea what it wants.
12/0/59
is the fairly cookie-cutter pre-Ulduar spec.
There is still a point of contention here: since it seems you are still in 10 Naxx/Heroics for upgrades, you probably do not need IUP as badly as say, someone in 10 Uld. If you do decide to drop it, use those points in Necrosis.
Thank you mate =)
Seems like a good spec, and thanks for the alternative on IUP. Thanks for including Glyphs also =)
Any idea on the rotation?
Cheers for the help guys =D
Post by
Zandranas
Rotation is (boss) only with Glyph of SS
SS if procs then BS, BS, SS, if no proc
PS, IT, BS, BS, SS --> RP dump
SSx3 RP dump, repeat.
No Glyph of SS treat as no proc.
Trash you'll obviously want to get PEST and BB out and going.
PS, IT, Pest, BB, BB
If you are the only Unholy DK, raid dps over personal dps -> get crypt fever out and on everything ASAP for your casters.
Post by
dervasavred
Rotation is (boss) only with Glyph of SS
SS if procs then BS, BS, SS, if no proc
PS, IT, BS, BS, SS --> RP dump
SSx3 RP dump, repeat.
No Glyph of SS treat as no proc.
Trash you'll obviously want to get PEST and BB out and going.
PS, IT, Pest, BB, BB
If you are the only Unholy DK, raid dps over personal dps -> get crypt fever out and on everything ASAP for your casters.
To clarify, your rotation on trash SHOULD include Death and Decay if more than three targets are present. It is not worth ignoring. If your tanks are any sort of decent you should have no problems, especially if you specced into Subversion.
Trash:
DnD IT (DnD and IT first at range while you're running in since you won't be pulling :D ) PS Pest UB DC SS BB SS BB DC DC.
Boss:
PS IT SS BS BS UB DC SS SS SS DC DC is the simplest rotation possible.
Post by
Sorrowbone
Rotation is (boss) only with Glyph of SS
SS if procs then BS, BS, SS, if no proc
PS, IT, BS, BS, SS --> RP dump
SSx3 RP dump, repeat.
No Glyph of SS treat as no proc.
Trash you'll obviously want to get PEST and BB out and going.
PS, IT, Pest, BB, BB
If you are the only Unholy DK, raid dps over personal dps -> get crypt fever out and on everything ASAP for your casters.
To clarify, your rotation on trash SHOULD include Death and Decay if more than three targets are present. It is not worth ignoring. If your tanks are any sort of decent you should have no problems, especially if you specced into Subversion.
Trash:
DnD IT (DnD and IT first at range while you're running in since you won't be pulling :D ) PS Pest UB DC SS BB SS BB DC DC.
Boss:
PS IT SS BS BS UB DC SS SS SS DC DC is the simplest rotation possible.
Thank you might. When I gather some money together, I will try this spec and glyphs out.
Thank you for your help =)
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Post by
Ansi
7/13/51
for bosses (you need good equip)
Try again m8, maybe you are more lucky to find a better spec ;)
obliterate scales better than SS.
Not without
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=50191
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Post by
dervasavred
check this out!
http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=6&tal=03000000000000000000000000003200505000000000000000000000230230330003215203130003133151
You spent 5 extra points in Frost to get a Haste buff, the worst single stat to aim for as Unholy outside of spellpower/int/etc.
What's more, the build doesn't even get Necrosis to maximize the potential of the Haste to begin with."
And Subversion? Seriously? Really? You won't need it if your tanks are decent. Get a Vigilance from a Warrior for even more buffer.
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Post by
dervasavred
Desecration not at full? You miss out on 2% to everything with that, which is of course debateable, but generally will add a DPS boost to just about everything to use.
WOW, I missed that. This build is terrible now.
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