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What do you consider "casual raiding"?
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Post by
berenor
I'm thinking more of schedules than of goofing off (which can be fun, too).
Is there a cutoff point? For example, would you call raiding two nights each week casual, but three nights a middle ground?
Is it relative? Is everyone who raids less often than you casual, and everyone who raids more often hardcore?
For a bit of a follow-up: do you know any players or guilds who raid, but don't do it every week? Or maybe alternating bigger raids like Naxx/Ulduar every other week, with shorter ones (OS/Maly/VoA) in between?
I'm curious about people's opinions, so there's no wrong answer. And I know this is a bit of a self-selected, not "average" audience, but... what do you think?
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Shamanic
Does someone get kicked because they don't turn up? Does the guild have a minimum mandatory amount of raids? If someone is online but says "I don't feel like raiding tonight", how does the raid leader react? These attitudes can be the difference between casual, serious and hardcore. If someone says they can only raid once every 2 weeks, are they still welcome in the guild? I think it's about attitude & dedication & expectations.
A guild can raid 7 days a week but if it's entirely optional always, if you can accept but not turn up, if you can leave half way through, if you can decide you just don't fancy it even though you're available or if the guild just spends an hour wiping then gives up and say nahh we can't do it, then it's still a casual attitude.
Post by
yawgmoth
A "casual raiding" guild is a guild that either:
1) is run by someone who wants to raid, but doesn't have the balls to make certain times mandatory and boot/demote those who refuse.
2) started as a "social guild" and has a few people who want to raid but aren't good enough to get into a real raiding guild.
Post by
TheMediator
A "casual raiding" guild is a guild that either:
1) is run by someone who wants to raid, but doesn't have the balls to make certain times mandatory and boot/demote those who refuse.
2) started as a "social guild" and has a few people who want to raid but aren't good enough to get into a real raiding guild.
False. Some people just don't like having their life revolve around WoW. I know plenty of casual players who are better then some poopsockers.
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Post by
Azrile
My definition of 'casual raiding' is more of the time requirement.
Hardcore guilds will beat their head against a wall to beat the next boss and throw a lot of hours at it if necessary
Casual guilds will say " ok, we have 3 hours to raid tonight, let's see how far we can get" and kinda be ok with the outcome either way.
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yawgmoth
A "casual raiding" guild is a guild that either:
1) is run by someone who wants to raid, but doesn't have the balls to make certain times mandatory and boot/demote those who refuse.
2) started as a "social guild" and has a few people who want to raid but aren't good enough to get into a real raiding guild.
False. Some people just don't like having their life revolve around WoW. I know plenty of casual players who are better then some poopsockers.
You know, I think it's cute when people quote someone and say things like "False" or "Wrong", especially when they're posting in an
opinion based thread
. Not to mention that if you're so damn smart that you can objectively define "casual raiding" you should be able to understand that the plural of anecdote is not data.
Then again, I don't know why I'm responding to you outside of catharsis; people who use the term "poopsockers" are just kids who can't hack it in a real raiding guild and are jealous. You can claim otherwise, but the truth is if you really didn't care about raiding you wouldn't be posting about raiding.
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Post by
Porcell
the plural of anecdote is not data.
I love this statement. Too bad there are a lot of people who don't understand what it means.
Post by
Eccentrica
As I find myself in the position of looking for a casual raiding guild to join, I will hazard a reply.
I define a crg as a guild which organizes raids for specific timeslots, but does not insist that certain people participate. I would expect certain rules to apply, such as if you sign up for a slot, you are making a commitment which you should honour barring exceptional circumstances. Also, that you are properly equipped, from armour to food, for the raid, and that you prepare for the raid by acquainting yourself with layout, mob distribution and boss abilities.
Personally I would like to raid a night or two a week, but have the opportunity to pursue other content if that's what my life or fancy dictated. That doesn't make me weak, or a bad player, it makes me a person with various interests.
I really don't understand why hardcore raiders hold everyone else in such contempt.
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Post by
TheReal
Casual raiding is something of an oxymoron. If you're raiding, you're not really casual. A casual player is someone that plays when he feels like it and doesn't really answer to anyone about it.
So playing 6 hours a week is not casual to you? I raid once a week for 6 hours, and that's all I play.
If your guild has "raiding" nights, and there's a general expectation that people will show up for it; then congratulations, you aren't in a casual guild.
We raid on Saturday and Sunday, but I only ever show up to one raid. I'm an officer and got my promotion after five weeks of this "abhorrent" behavior.
This doesn't mean you've moved up to the big leagues of hardcore raiding, but a casual player/guild doesn't really play by a schedule. It's a bit more whimsical than that.
We have a schedule, and we come if we can. We've only ever lost one night of raiding because it was Mother's Day and no one bothered to show up. We didn't /gkick or demote anyone. We raid when we can, and if we can't then we tackle some heroics for badge gear.
Hardcore raiding is for people with no lives. Cleared Ulduar already? Congratulations! I've been doing things IRL that amount to far more than your achievements (not a personal attack, but a message to those who spend 50 hours per week on WoW).
I know it's all a matter of taste and subject to much interpretation, but I have also heard people claim 20 hours per week is casual. Do they not realize some people go weeks before they log on for a couple hours?
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Post by
berenor
Wow! There are some really great responses here. You guys have given me a lot to think about.
I've definitely been in self-described "casual" guilds where the standards were nonexistent or not enforced. Sitting at the stone, repaired, with buff food and flasks, waiting an hour for the one raid you can make this week to start... it's not fun.
I think the flip side to that story is that I'm a casual player, and I manage to get my gear enchanted, cook the buff food, buy the flasks, and be at the raid on time.
Maybe we need different words to describe casual with regard to scheduling and casual with regard to standards? I don't think those two things are linked. Do you?
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