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Post by
Rankkor
If the lands like Westfall haven't been restored, then why is the Westfall Brigade in Northrend?
And furthermore, if you had actually read to comics, you'd know that Varian was powerless against the Onyxia-controlled House of Nobles; one of the things he did to counter that was go out into the Kingdom and personally help the areas in need.
Varian didn't "allow" anyone to die. He was always looking out for his people to the best of his ability.
this is a dead horse, that should be allowed to rest, however for the sake of clarity, I'll indulge you.
the westfall brigade is on northrend because from a lore point of view, now that varian has returned, he did sent aid for westfall, duskwood, and redridge.
however, back when onyxia was arround as katrana, she not only controlled the house of nobles with her subtle mind-controll, she also controlled varian.
and varian under her controll refused to aid his plp, wait, refuse isnt' the correct word, he didn't cared was the correct word.
his plp asked aid, he was all gloomy and depressed over the death of his wife, wich eased the job for onyxia to manipulate him, so whenever plp asked for aid, he waved them off.
that started to change as anduin grew up, it was the joy that his son gave him that allowed varian to be able to start to overcome his sorrow, and that is why onyxia arranged his kidnap, to separate the strong-willed side of varian out of his body, and ease up the mind-controll thingie.
Varian never came out of the kingdom to aid his plp, he was in emo-mode on the castle all the time after his wife's death.
so yhea, varian allowed his plp to die, after all, moonbrook needed reinforcements that were never sent.
I am the King of Stormwind and no one, not the naga, nor the Scourge, nor the fiery lords of the Burning Legion will keep me from my people
this was said AFTER he regained his memory, slayed onyxia, and was 100% free of her mind-controll.
no doubt that after the mind-controll vanished, he did acted as a true king, protecting his lands and plp, but DURING his time mind-controlled (wich lasted several years) he did nothing for the suffering of his plp.
if you read the comics, then at the start of issue 8 I think, when the "charming" half of varian returned to stormwind, he was mind-contolled, his son told his father how the plp were starving due to high taxes, and what did he do? he didn't cared, organized feasts and hunting trips, and didn't worried a bit about anything.
but all of those flaws were not his fault, it was onyxia's fault, her mind-controll was what made varian do those things wich happen to be a crime when u're king, if those crimes could be forgiven due to the fact that he didn't do them on purpuse, then garona's crimes should be forgiven too, because she dind't do them on purpuse.
as a last point here, as I said before, AFTER varian's return as the king of stormwind (WOTLK and foward) from a lore point of view, both duskwood and westfall have recieved reinforcements, and the only reason we still see the nightwatch and people's militia is purely for gameplay reasons.
now let the dead horse rest pal.
Post by
Lecks
Rankkorr, I don't want to be a jackass but what does "plp" mean? I guess you mean "ppl" which is short for "people" but I can't be sure.
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Post by
Adamsm
Aye, I figure out what he means just fine.
Post by
Lecks
He's not a native english speaker... I've no problems with Rankkor's writing.
Neither am I, but I'm a grammar nazi.
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Rankkor
my small flaws on grammar are insignificant to what other users write down here.
for example, there is a user, that even when he's american, speaks english as a natural language, Writes 1 word, with an extra "E" on it, no exeptions, whenever he writes that word, he adds an extra E on it.
now, I don't mean to sound hostile in any way bro', but try writing in spanish, and not make a single mistake, and then gimme a call.
savvy?
Post by
Lecks
my small flaws on grammar are insignificant to what other users write down here.
for example, there is a user, that even when he's american, speaks english as a natural language, Writes 1 word, with an extra "E" on it, no exeptions, whenever he writes that word, he adds an extra E on it.
now, I don't mean to sound hostile in any way bro', but try writing in spanish, and not make a single mistake, and then gimme a call.
savvy?
As I said, I'm not trying to be rude, I just get annoyed when someone repeatedly makes the same grammatical mistake.
I'm also not a native English speaker, so the "i r nt ingleesh spaker" card doesn't fly with me.
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Post by
Rankkor
/waving peace flag
dude let's not get in a discussion over a stupid typo ok?
I'll pretend this never happened, and you will pretend this never happened.
/happy ending mode ON
Post by
Lecks
Deal.
So, how about that Varian chap, eh?
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Post by
Rankkor
at best he's a fair fighter, a relatively good king, and a good father.
but he's too much of a rage-aholic, shows several signs of bigotry, doesn't acknoledge the wisdom of beings wiser than him, shows several cases of hypocresy, and the list just goes like the energyzer rabbit, "on and on and on and on".
still, he's not the worst character on the game, there are others that are much worst, such as garrosh (till he gets aparently "fixed" before patch 4.0) ronin (the definition of mary-sue in the flesh) and Med'an (if mary-sue cloned herself, and then became a lesbian and had a baby with her clone, med'an would be that baby)
Post by
Adamsm
Med'an (if mary-sue cloned herself, and then became a lesbian and had a baby with her clone, med'an would be that baby)Yes well without Med'sue Thrall will be the Guardian so easy on his bashing heh.
As for calling Varian a fair fighter.... he's probably up there with Thrall when it comes to weapon expertise; after all, both of them have been training since young ages, it's just Thrall's was forced.
And one last thing for your list of good things Rankkorr, Varian does love his people, no one can say that isn't true, and now that he's back to normal(aka in one piece) he does his best for them.
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Rankkor
And one last thing for your list of good things Rankkorr, Varian does love his people, no one can say that isn't true, and now that he's back to normal(aka in one piece) he does his best for them
that love for his people is included on the "good king" feature I placed on his good side.
and about his training, he is really well trained, but for now his battle experience is not as high as that of other characters (he's not a scrub, he knows what he's doing, but others know more about it because they have fought longer than he has)
before his kidnapping, he never had much real battle experience, he had good training, but not participated in many major conflicts.
whereas characters like tirion or thrall have been fighting for well over 13 years at minimum.
varian has started fighting for real for the past 2 years at best.
Post by
Adamsm
that love for his people is included on the "good king" feature I placed on his good side.Suppose so heh.
and about his training, he is really well trained, but for now his battle experience is not as high as that of other characters (he's not a scrub, he knows what he's doing, but others know more about it because they have fought longer than he has)
before his kidnapping, he never had much real battle experience, he had good training, but not participated in many major conflicts.
whereas characters like tirion or thrall have been fighting for well over 13 years at minimum.
varian has started fighting for real for the past 2 years at best.That... I don't know. He was more then a match for Arthas during their time in Lordaeron, and I have no doubt the weapon masters would keep him on his toes during those years. Yes he didn't have the same overall combat experience as Thrall, but we don't how much fighting he did before Onyxia captured him; we don't know if he wasn't out there in Westfall, Duskwood and the like helping his people before he disappeared. We also don't know about the years spent rebuilding Stormwind.
Post by
Rankkor
information as relevant as that would be reflected on his article on wowwiki, and since it's not............
also, I'll quote the legendary solid snake from metal gear solid, on the matter of training and real combat experience.
raiden discuses with snake that the training is desinged to be as real as the actual combat, feeling even pain, and a sence of danger, "but the only diference is that it isn't really happening"
Snake replyed "that's how they want you to think, to remove the fear that goes into battle, what better way to make the ultimate tool of war"?, he then goes on to say that those who have only training, but no actual real combat expertise are more akin to "video-game players" than soldiers.
varian was well trained, but he hasn't been arround real combat that much before his abduction, while he's more than a capable fightter, battle experience is something that gives quite an edge in battle, and it's more priceless than good instruction.
because there are lessons that are only learned when we stop pretending and actually do the deed.
a heart surgeon can have all the training in med-school doing the procedure on corpses over and over again, and on simulators over and over again. and be well instructed on his job.
but he's never gonna be as good as a true surgeon who's been doing operations for the past 30 years.
that's cuz there are circunstances that training never cover, and only when the trainee has been a surgeon for 30 years, he can be compared to the senior one.
same here really.
varian as a fighter doesn't "suck" but he lacks the experience so many other wow figures have. (vindicator maraad has been a paladin for possible millenia, in a 1 on 1 fight he could squish varian into red jelly)
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