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Post by
taurenmoo812
Not really, it's just you saying the same thing you've been saying all through it.
And repeating what he said on previous threads not having anything else to add to it. Also, the constant ignoring thing about neutral factions accepting the horde.
Post by
Patty
Anyways, now that it seems Patty is done going into his nerd rage :)A pleasure as always. Slag off users while they're not here, right? How polite of you.
I mean really, what would Terenas do about the Forsaken using Lordaeron as a bastion to destroy humanity? I think its pretty safe to say he would declare war....The Forsaken are his own people. If he was a better parent we could argue that Arthas would never have went crazy and killed everybody.
I mean really, you guys are just going to argue with what ever I post, why should I waste more time with a bunch of stubborn trolls?
Oh, so you never flamed numerous users here yourself, right? How are we trolling? We are offering counter-arguments to your own which frankly are contradictory. The point of this thread is a debate. We are arguing against your claims which hold hardly anything, because you later go back on what you've previously said. Differing opinions =/= Trolling.
Post by
Rankkor
Lets give this thread a break (for real now), all I wanted to do was show you guys somthing from BtDP.
nope, no breaks, not untill we settle on that point you said, and that we debated and that you haven't responded.
horde+alliance, working togheter=works good. (you said it ends in betrayal and mass murder)
old horde =/= new horde, you said they are the very same.
untill you are willing to admit that you are wrong about these points (or offer valid arguments to prove you are right) no breaks, and I keep repeating, because you don't provide an answer to these 2 points, hoping that what I'm asking you get's drowned in the endless pages of replly, so I'll keep bumping these 2 points up, till you give me a straight answer. when those 2 points are resolved, then ok, break time.
and BTW, what the hell happened with "let's start again?" I didn't gave you a reason to call me troll U.U a troll is a user that don't wanna debate others, and whose only purpuse is to flame other users. I haven't flamed you anywhere, I'm simply debating. =(
Post by
166613
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Post by
Patty
Here's a thought; what if the man we think of is King Varian...isn't King Varian?
What if the REAL King Varian is long dead, and what we have is someone carefully mind-controlled, implanted with memories, and returned to the Alliance?
What if someone had a VERY long term plan that would benefit greatly from preventing ANY cooperation between the Horde and the Alliance?
This is meta-gaming; at the moment, the characters have no reason to believe that there might be some great, hidden threat that will emerge (Cataclysm) to challenge all of Azeroth.
And I'd start looking closely at Garrosh's background as well...
I always thought about it, but then forgot about it. Your theory though, is very credible...
I mean, Azeroth never had hair dye, right? Varian's hair used to be brown in game, now it is black. His chin was normal...now look at it. Deathwing's chin needed metal plating!
The chin might be a clue! *Scooby Doo music*
Post by
Adamsm
Here's a thought; what if the man we think of is King Varian...isn't King Varian?
What if the REAL King Varian is long dead, and what we have is someone carefully mind-controlled, implanted with memories, and returned to the Alliance?
What if someone had a VERY long term plan that would benefit greatly from preventing ANY cooperation between the Horde and the Alliance?
This is meta-gaming; at the moment, the characters have no reason to believe that there might be some great, hidden threat that will emerge (Cataclysm) to challenge all of Azeroth.
And I'd start looking closely at Garrosh's background as well...
Heh, so Garrosh and Varian are the hidden childern of Deathwing? Which could be possible, but we know it's not lol. Nice idea thought Bruce.
Post by
Skreeran
Highly unlikely, but it'd be interesting.
It'd certainly explain their constant ^&*!ing contests.
Post by
Rankkor
na, both of them steped into dalaran, the most powerfull magic society in the world, if these 2 were anything diferent than what they claim to be the mages would had picked it up.
after all, the kirin tor DID knew something was wrong with lord prestor when he was mind-controlling the rest of the alliance, they didn't 100% completely pointed out that he was deathwing, but they senced an aura of "wrongness" about him.
if varian and garrosh were impostors the moment they steped into dalaran, the kirin tor would had said "wait a sec, my magic sence is tingling" and well, be wary and suspicious about varian and garrosh.
since that didn't happened then is logical that varian and garrosh are the real-deal.
and patty u're right about varian's hair, it was brown back when varian was in alcaz island (before patch 1.9) and now is black without any further explanation :P
is just one of those misterys that just won't get fixed, such as...... are there ogre females? why haven't we seen any orc-undead or tauren-undead or -undead? (and I'm talking about non-dk undeads, such as tauren skeletons for example, or abominations made of orc+draenei) what's the diference from a mage, a wizard, and a sorcerer? or how long it takes varian to shave that chin?
Post by
Adamsm
You don't want to see an Ogre female.
But yeah, the other undead stuff never made sense to me; you'd think there would be lots of undead elves, dwarves and the like, but Blizzard is lazy.
Post by
166613
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Post by
Adamsm
But Jaina did admit that someone had used very powerful magics on Varian/Logosh...so powerful even she (!) couldn't fully undo them. (If I remember the comic correctly..) So, perhaps it IS Varian, but still under some subtle influence that's overlooked by mages; "Oh, residual effects of the mind-wipe..." Covering up magic by using so much magic, you can't sort between all of them.That was suppose to be the "Split in Two" spell she was sensing, but they are back together now, and the Dalaran alarms didn't go when Varian entered the city during the Ulduar trailer so whatever magic was left from that spell is gone now. But he isn't all there, I still think the two personalities; Lo'gosh and the King are fighting, that's why he's erratic and confused a lot of the time. I hope the Lo'gosh personality comes back soon.....
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166613
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Post by
Adamsm
Well if you look at the things he says when you click on him, a lot of them are quotes about stuff he did as Lo'gosh as opposed to saying much as his life as the fopish-king version, the one without the willpower.
Post by
451455
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Post by
Rankkor
If someone wants you dead, you fight back. I don't understand what you want from Varian
how about fighting back the ones that actually want him dead, say like the black dragonflight or the old gods?
The Horde had two chance to prove themselves, both blown
yhea but by whom? are you honestly blaming the horde for the actions of the defias? are you honestly blaming the horde for the actions of the old gods?.
like I said before, varian isn't a commoner, ignorance is a luxury they have, but not a luxury a KING can afford, he would know quite a lot about who's who if he was willing to pay attention, and don't pull that nonsence of "only a fool listen to a former enemy" because velen listened to Liandrin and that worked out fine, Tyrande listened to Thrall in hyjal and that worked out fine.
I want a straight answer, how exactly the defias kidnaping varian was our fault? how exactly the old gods interrupting the second meeting is our fault?.
Varian needs to fight back, that's true, but he has to fight back the REAL enemy, which happens to be the old gods, and the black dragons, THEY are the ones who don't want the horde and alliance working togheter, and varian is doing exactly what they want.
thrall want's peace, if a third meeting was arranged for a peace between horde and alliance, thrall would definitly go, varian on the other hand pays no attention to anyone but his cojones, and ignores everyone else.
Post by
Skreeran
If someone wants you dead, you fight back. I don't understand what you want from Varian.I'll remember this when the Alliance comes to kill us and take our women and children.
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229054
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Post by
taurenmoo812
Trolling
Uncreative response but there you go. Can't take the facts of it I suppose.
With a rank like "Overlord", I think he could cause some raids... even more so since the Kor'kan seem to like him more then Thrall.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Kor'kron_Guard
Read it.
I know, but they are members none the less.
Kinda short sighted don't you think?
He does not carry it, the weapon was put in Thoras' grave (which the Horde defiled).
And this is in no way justice.
It was guarded there, and on a personal level it felt like justice to Vol'jin for all the murders he commited against the trolls with his weapon. So it was infact justice.
Its not perfectly clear to me.
If someone wants you dead, you fight back. I don't understand what you want from Varian.
The Horde had two chance to prove themselves, both blown.
I don't think Stormwind needs more to go through, expicaly when they don't
want
to befriend the Horde.
Have I ever made a reason for wanting something from Varian? He's a ignorent fool and a tool of the real evils in azeroth. He makes the excuse of saying he wants to kill the horde to 'protect his people' but infact its all done on a personal level for vengence for himself. He puts his peoples lives at risk with his phoney actions, and well other forces like dalaran, the red flight, the sha'tar, the cenarion circle and others forgive and even befriend the horde, he doesn't listen to them, showing is incredible short sightedness.
A good leader falls under many definitions, but I think Varian falls under many.
I stand by my origanal post. you don't seem to have much of an idea of what a great leader is. Lothar was a great leader. Doomhammer was a great leader, Thrall is a great leader, Kur'talos Ravencrest and Jarod Shadowsong were great leaders. Varian doesn't even come close to what these did for there people. You'd do well to compare what they did to what Varian is doing now.
Whats your problem?
Who said I got a problem? I'm telling it like it is, you saying how Varian's greater then anyone else and everything he does is excusable or right, and then saying how anyone elses opinion of him is wrong, or you completely side stepping any thought out counter argument anyone else presents.
Post by
451455
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Post by
HiVolt
Doomhammer? Phh, hell no.
Can you explain how Doomhammer
wasn't
a brilliant leader?
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