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Post by
Paolo
Working as intended. It's the hardest heroic. Do it when the others are easy.
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Post by
Papoulis
Depended of the tank and dps. If they op den you can make till last boss. This boss need haste to do aoe spell quickly in face 3. Everybody stay close to boss so you can heal them. For haste maybe some potion will do the work.
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Post by
BrigKline
All the stuff above is pretty solid, I'll thow a few things out, tho.
Fear ward on Paltress is a godsend, as are pvp trinkets (if you can spare a slot), or a shaman's tremor totem.
Also, make sure you have somebody dispelling the Renew that Paletress throws on the nightmare, it ticks for 22K on heroic, do it youself if neccessary... Letting it run its duration extends the fight by a considrable margin, and ending the fight quickly is key to success here.
And yes, the damage on Paletress is a little nuts for a heroic. When the nightmare is up, you're getting feared, holy fire'd, and smited while the nasty DoT damage from Old Wounds and Holy fire can get nasty fast (especially if they stack on the tank, while you are feared)...add to this the -90% casting speed debuff and you can get backed into a corner in short order. The trick is to be preemptive, but it will take a bit of practice.
As for the black knight, save your Shadowfiend for phase three, pop it and Prayer of Healing spam, or maybe inner focused Divine Hymn. Watch for mark of death on yourself, and be ready with a desperate prayer, as it can one shot you from 75% health with a few stacks of that debuff. Don't forget you can chain any ghoul that comes after you...and chaining makes Phase One much simpler.
All in all, a tough instance to cut your teeth on, hang in there :)
Post by
Crawshayi
- 1st phase of the Black Knight. Massive damage on the tank, keep your attention on the tank. Keep yourself between the entrance and the tank before the ghoul comes, more chance of the ghoul attaching itself to the tank or a DPS, than yourself, when it appears. Ask the DPS to target the ghoul first - kill it before it explodes.
I find it much easier to simply shackle the add and have all dps focus on the boss, it rarely ever breaks early and if it does you simply reshackle
Post by
ZoraLink
Two healers? That's probably your problem...
Post by
BrigKline
Yeah, I missed that part... so much of H ToC is reliant on DPS being able to burn targets quickly (Mostly on Paltress, BK Phase 3, and a champ group with a healer), running with two healers can end up being more detrimental than helpful.
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Post by
Meggie
Support from a shaman helps a lot. it does not have to be a resto shaman.
- cleanse against the rogue in phase 1
- tremor against Paletress
- cleanse against Black Knight phase 1
And yes, these bosses do drop epix items for reason.
Post by
ande9249
ill add in here, that we have out our CoT (cleanse over time) spell in
abolish disease
, that really does wonders against this Death knight wannabe.
Second, for clarification, fear ward yourself on palestress fight, I like the glyph of fear ward, and so actually throw it on myself when the tank has aggro of the last trash group, then the cool down is done usually by the time the second or third fear goes out.
Never thought about checking the nightmare for dis-spellable renew though, definitely going to be looking for it now. And thanks for the hunter tip, I was wondering what to do with that myself.
Binding heal
is great in this situation regardless....
and shackling the first ghoul....while smart, and i venture good....never really saw the need, but if struggling with phase one sure...
and to give a extremely good note. I am now out of gearing upgrades from H ToC and in general should go onto Uld 25, but this week took on reg ToC, with a 78 DK tank and dps that all were 80 but needed gear from there....while yes I was able to keep the DK up until Phase 3 of BK, at which point the druid flipped from moonkin to bear to finish it off, I then was OOM about 4 sec before the fight ended....it is a tough fight, dont beat yourself up too much
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Post by
Skadja
Do you have the
healing trinket
from Normal ToC? That will help some with your mana issues, in general.
Eadric is simple. Stay turned away from him the whole fight, adjust your camera to see the tank if you feel more confident that way, but it's generally not necessary. Immediately dispel the Hammer of Justice debuff that is applied a few seconds before he throws Hammer of the Righteous at somebody. If you have DPS with you who can dispel,
make sure they dispel it on you
, you'll be stunned and unable to if you are targetted. Point it out if they do not. Hammer of the Righteous can kill a player whose health is low for whatever reason, and even if it doesn't kill, it's 16K health that must be healed.
Also dispel Radiance from Tank or DPS if they don't turn around fast enough. Remind habitual offenders of how to avoid it.
Post by
nickseng
Usually in the Black knight 3rd phase, I just spam Holy Nova with Power Infusion. That seems to work.
Oh, and forget about using Shadow Protection, it won't help unless you can get some sort of Frost Resistance as well.
Post by
OscarDivine
Oh, and forget about using Shadow Protection, it won't help unless you can get some sort of Frost Resistance as well.
Really? I use my shadow prot aura during P3 with my paladin tank and I think it does wonders. *shrug* Is it all in my head?
If I really feel bored, I'll blow my divine Hymn and sit back while my group pounds him. or Spam PoH with Renew/PoM on whoever gets the "Marked For Death" debuff.
Post by
nickseng
Oh, and forget about using Shadow Protection, it won't help unless you can get some sort of Frost Resistance as well.
Really? I use my shadow prot aura during P3 with my paladin tank and I think it does wonders. *shrug* Is it all in my head?
If I really feel bored, I'll blow my divine Hymn and sit back while my group pounds him. or Spam PoH with Renew/PoM on whoever gets the "Marked For Death" debuff.
hmmm ... according to the Black Knight entry in wowhead, the AOE does shadowfrost damage, i.e., it does shadow or frost damage depending on which resistance is lowest. Hence, even if Shadow protection is up, it will still do full damage (frost).
The only way is if you both have shadow AND frost resistance.
Post by
OscarDivine
Intwesting. I didn't know, but I'd swear that the resistance numbers were much higher if I put up my shadow prot aura. Healers even say it's easier to heal through. I never really have done the fight without Shadow Protection buff from my priest, so I wouldn't be able to tell you one way or the other. Wierd. I'll experiment today see what my battle log says unless someone else can verify it.
Maybe I'll put up my frost resistance Aura with a priest casting Shadow Prot. Hmm. or another pally.
Post by
ZoraLink
I find it much easier to simply shackle the add and have all dps focus on the boss, it rarely ever breaks early and if it does you simply reshackleTo be honest, with the amount of damage that the tank takes in this phase, I'd have to be very confident about the tank's damage mitigation for me to take my attention off him for the necessary moment. Cute idea though, might be nice for an added flavour to the fight.
"Cute" idea? It's silly to NOT shackle it. The cast time is negligible, and you can shackle it before the Black Knight even hits your tank for the first time.
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