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Totem of Electrifying Wind Vs Hex
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Post by
Hybridshaman
Hello. This is my first post here at WoWhead.
My characters armory incase you were wondering :
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ner%27zhul&n=Hybrid
Please dont bash my gear at the moment as I know I need a new ring and to replace egg of mortal essence.
My question is about the new totem. I recently bought it and have read many post about it being an upgrade compared to Totem of Hex.
If you would please anwser the few questions I have about it.
1) Is it that much of a dps improvement?
2) Why do people think this is such an improvement?
IMO I think they are coming from a perspective where you dont use CL in your rotation. If i am fighting Auriya or Razorscale Ignis and Freya would it be a better option to have the Totem of Hex up? My angle is that I will be using CL and the chance is it will hit 3 targets increasing my dps more then just 200 haste would.
I think in a single target fight like XT where you are just going for the heart this new trinket would be a better option. When I did my test run at the test dummies I was pulling 500 more dps with the Totem of Hex because the chain lightning was doing more damage to the dummies around. Please give me your thoughts on the new totem, should it just be used for a single target fight? or used all around , or even not used at all.
Thanks
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23639
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Post by
Haxzor
imo Hex>EW
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190992
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Post by
binkenstein
Incorrect.
Due to the lack of an internal cooldown, the uptime is 100%. As such, 200 haste rating will be greater than 165 SP for LB.
Post by
Hybridshaman
How is it incorrect? If i am not using CL totem of electrifying winds is a big DPS increase. but when i was testing my dps on dummies using CL i was pulling 5.1k with hex and electrifying winds was only 4.7k. I believe you should just use both totems. I know shamanism makes your LB alot stronger but unless u have 2700+ spellpower your going to get a dps increase using hex on certain fights where adds are around.
Post by
windstrum
Questioning Bink is generally a bad idea, unless you like being wrong. 0.o
Hybrid what Bink is saying is that a flat 200 haste is better than 165 spell power just on lightning bolt.
Post by
Hybridshaman
I guess i like being wrong. Yes I see bink around all the shaman forums and I know that he is a good shaman. If you include CL on a boss like freya your dps would be alot stronger using totem of hex then totem of electrifying winds. 200 haste will only do so much if ur doing somthing on a single target. also the totem only procs on lightning bolt. in a fight like freya where you want to take out the adds you will be using cl, if you miss the proc then ur losing the haste. IMO not a huge upgrade to hex
Post by
Gnub
I guess i like being wrong. Yes I see bink around all the shaman forums and I know that he is a good shaman.
You see that link in his signature? Click it. Then you'll see why he's right about most stuff.
Also, remember that the 200 haste affects
everything
, while the 165 spellpower only affects CL and LB - not FS and LvB.
Post by
Hybridshaman
why the #$%^ would haste do anything to FS its an instant cast.
haste is only so good, if your spells are not doing any damage then cast as fast as you want. im saying this totem will be better in some fights because most forums says crit comes before haste. alot of crit + totem of hex = alot of damage. my lvb is already like a 1.4 second cast and i only cast is 8 seconds, if im spamming LB the rest of the time id like to do more damage with it. and yes the 200 haste is nice but for someone who has low SP and shamanism isn't giving them more damage with LB then with CL id imagine the CL would still be in the rotation.
Post by
Mesoforte
why the #$%^ would haste do anything to FS its an instant cast.
haste is only so good, if your spells are not doing any damage then cast as fast as you want. im saying this totem will be better in some fights because most forums says crit comes before haste. alot of crit + totem of hex = alot of damage. my lvb is already like a 1.4 second cast and i only cast is 8 seconds, if im spamming LB the rest of the time id like to do more damage with it. and yes the 200 haste is nice but for someone who has low SP and shamanism isn't giving them more damage with LB then with CL id imagine the CL would still be in the rotation.
Haste reduces the global cooldown, thus giving FS a faster "cast" time.
200/32.79=~6% haste
That's 6% haste across all your spells. That will result in more damage than Hex after a few casts. Especially since the internal cooldown is absent and pretty much gives you 100% up time on the haste.
Post by
66520
Questioning Bink is generally a bad idea, unless you like being wrong. 0.o
Questioning Bink is always a good idea, because he has a lot of answers and very good reasoning behind them.
Post by
Draconia
Wow Hybrid u are stupid AND hard headed. You come in hear, ask a dumb question, get the best shaman in the whole damn forum to answer you and then question his answer. You sir are a moron. Don't waste people's time asking questions and then plugging your fat ears and going LALALA I can't hear you to the answers.
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23639
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Post by
Hybridshaman
Umm draconia I listtening to what everyone says, but when I used hex like I said in my first post I was doing more dps then with EW. maybe you should unplug your fat eats and L2read. Everyone's post has been helpful.
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170445
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Post by
Haxzor
200 haste > 165 SP on 2 spells
What I didn't know was the 100% uptime
Post by
Buttery
The point is moot. While we all agree that Hex can be the better totem for multi-mob situations due to the increased use of CL, we can all see that Electrifying Wind is better overall due to the near 100% uptime and the across the board benefits.
The thing is, you could swap totems for trash and probably do a bit more dps, but honestly, if we wanted to AoE properly, we wouldn't have rolled a shammy. We're all about boss fights and in a boss fight, the extra haste is wonderful, especially if there is a lot of movement.
No one here disagrees with your point hybrid, Hex is better in certain situations, we just don't appreciate the implied attitude.
Welcome to the forums, leave the profanity and attitude to the trolls.
Post by
Gnub
why the #$%^ would haste do anything to FS its an instant cast.
haste is only so good, if your spells are not doing any damage then cast as fast as you want. im saying this totem will be better in some fights because most forums says crit comes before haste. alot of crit + totem of hex = alot of damage. my lvb is already like a 1.4 second cast and i only cast is 8 seconds, if im spamming LB the rest of the time id like to do more damage with it. and yes the 200 haste is nice but for someone who has low SP and shamanism isn't giving them more damage with LB then with CL id imagine the CL would still be in the rotation.
Haste reduces the global cooldown, thus giving FS a faster "cast" time.
200/32.79=~6% haste
That's 6% haste across all your spells. That will result in more damage than Hex after a few casts. Especially since the internal cooldown is absent and pretty much gives you 100% up time on the haste.
Thank you Meso, so I didn't have to write all that myself.
Anyway, I'm sure that if you have bad gear, Hex will without doubt be better, as haste gets better the more spellpower you got - why? shouldn't be a need to explain that, simple logic apply. The question will most likely be where the approximate breaking point is, in terms of amount of spellpower.
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