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ToC Black Knight (Heroic)
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Post by
fyredeamon
contrary to people beliefs healing does cause to get aggro :D (and i bet 1000g that the priest didn't get the talents for aggro reduce)
since you are a pally , just BOP the priest and the mobs will come to you, since you are the second on aggro top
Post by
Bloodkittie
if u seem to have truble to get the aggro from the healer then just tell him to stend near u then open aoe cast
Hand of Protection
on the healer then cast
Holy Warth
and from there every thing should go easy but if u see it is still going bad just start to
Tuant
them...
hope that help.
Post by
Synectics
What you're forgetting is that the healer was probably the closest player to the mob when it spawned. If neither of you had any aggro what-so-ever, then the mob will obviously attack the closest player.
Have everyone stack on top of the tank, and drop Consecrate as the AoD is channeled. This way, even if someone is closer at first, Consecrate will immediately pick it up. And of course, the first thing you should do once AoD finishes is throw out Holy Wrath -- you'll do so much threat right there that the DPS should then be free to drop all their AOE's and take care of the AoD without a problem.
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cakeknight
A DK's AoD will only fight what he or she is fighting, or at least their supposed to. The healer may have been standing right where it spawned, the AoD spawns ghouls in an area slightly larger than consecration, so there's some times a few ghouls who slip the net, since you were running with DK's you could ask one to death grip any of the rogue ghouls into your consecration, after the three seconds where the ghoul has to attack him, it will be right on you and off your healer.
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Synectics
A DK's AoD will only fight what he or she is fighting, or at least their supposed to. The healer may have been standing right where it spawned, the AoD spawns ghouls in an area slightly larger than consecration, so there's some times a few ghouls who slip the net, since you were running with DK's you could ask one to death grip any of the rogue ghouls into your consecration, after the three seconds where the ghoul has to attack him, it will be right on you and off your healer.
I
think
that a DK's AoD will target the DK's taget, but if the DK has no target, will act like a pet on aggressive. I've seen my DK buddy summon it, and the little buggers go nuts on any red-name mob around them while he just stands there /dance'ing. I'll double check with him to see what is actually happening, though, because I honestly can't say for sure if that's how it works.
Either way, not a bad idea for a DK to blow his AoD against the Black Knight's. I'm sure hilarity ensues either way. XD
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Synectics
I'm not saying it should never be used, it just needs to be planned ahead of time and can be quite good on specific encounters....
...........such as when the Black Knight summons HIS Army of Dead?
XD
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cakeknight
As a DK I can say that AoD, at least for me, work like my ghoul on defensive, that maybe because I keep my ghoul on defensive, but they only hit what I'm hitting. AoD is actualy a great ability that some of the tanks in my guild love, of course only when we plan it. It works great on the black knight, fire off one during his AoD, then have another DK use their's as soon as he becomes a ghost.
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Post by
Xhaosrenac
*sigh* I normally never sign in to answer questions or anything so my account has very few posts, but I too am a protection paladin so let me explain a few things. When the ghouls spawn if you have a DK they can Army. The mechanic of Army is to attack whatever the DK is attacking upon the channeling of the spell. If however the DK has no target the ghouls will pick a target and attack it until either A) the target dies, or B) the ghoul dies. However, Army also comes with a built-in taunting mechanism. Each ghoul has a taunt ability with no CD and they will taunt every target. They do not just taunt what they are attacking.
Additionally, when the adds come up, assuming you have a DK then the group should not be together they should be spread apart otherwise they will take needless raid damage from the Black Knight's ghoul explosions. He can destroy his dead ghouls, which is basically corpse explosion. The living ghouls will explode if the Knight dies before they do. Also, my advise would be to use Holy Wrath, then Consecrate, then HoR. That should give you a decent amount of threat, use these spells even if there is no DK. Also, something of note, Righteous Defense is excellent for this but do not pop it for anyone who is not either A) a healer, or B) a cloth/leather wearer. Use high threat moves such as Avenger's Shield or perhaps a single target taunt for everyone else unless the person is being overwhelmed by 3 or more adds at which time your AoE taunt is necessary.
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Synectics
*sigh* I normally never sign in to answer questions or anything so my account has very few posts, but I too am a protection paladin so let me explain a few things
Thanks for gracing us with your presence? :P
Also, my advise would be to use Holy Wrath, then Consecrate, then HoR.
Again, I'd go the other way around. If everyone is on the tank, even if they get the initial "spawn pull" threat, the tank's Consecrate will be enough to pull them off. From there, once all ghouls are on the tank, a quick Holy Wrath will keep them in the Consecrate.
Really, either way should work fine. I just worry about Holy Wrath not reaching all the mobs, and therefore being a waste -- that's why I suggest waiting until they are all piled up in the same spot.
yeah, just checked, priest was 0/3 threat reduction. looks like he put the points in the shield
No Priest should be picking up that talent. It's almost impossible for a healer to pick up aggro, unless somehow the tank loses aggro. On my priest, I've NEVER been able to pass any DPS on threat -- the only time I've ever pulled is with a heal that was too early during a LoS pull or some other similar situation, but that's just me being an idiot, not doing too much threat through healing.
The problem wasn't the threat the healer was generating -- again, they were probably just the closest thing to the mob when it spawned. Of course, if they throw out an effective heal, they'll generate threat and be a bit harder to save, but nonetheless the issue definitely isn't the healer having "too much" threat.
Post by
Xhaosrenac
Holy Wrath has a range of 10 yards in all directions. Thus a 20 yard circle around the tank. If the tank is standing on the Knight I believe it will hit all of them. I'm not entirely sure though so perhaps you are right. Will check when my realm comes back online when I do H ToC....unfortunately Vindication just randomly crashed. *sigh* And I just mean that I don't log in. And you are so welcome :P
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