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The Taurajo Massace
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Post by
4dehorde
Why not?
Because Taurajo was a massacre, Southshore was an assault. Two different things entirely.
Post by
Mojoworkn
Massacre:
1. the unnecessary, indiscriminate killing of a large number of human beings or animals, as in barbarous warfare or persecution or for revenge or plunder.
2. a general slaughter, as of persons or animals
Assault:
1. a sudden, violent attack; onslaught:
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Two different words that mean the same thing. An assault can be unnecessary.
EDIT: To be honest, I think you're trying to prove that the Horde can do no wrong. As I said, both sides are equally evil in their acts. Both sides have evil people amongst them, it really has nothing to do with the sides themselves.
Post by
109094
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Post by
Adamsm
Lol, trolling at it's best.
Sorrow
and
struggle
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/thread
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635092
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Post by
Gone
Actualy Southshore is the exact same thing, the town was plague bombed and completley destroyed.
Also what about Gilneaus? A neutral city attacked out of nowhere by the Forsaken and Orcs, with half the quests revolving around killing civilians.
Also as to the people who keep saying this topic has been discussed to death, there are a lot of people new to this site, new to wow, or new to lore, or just havnt been reading up latley. So to these people the topic, if you are tired of this topic being discussed than theres a simple answer, dont discuss it, but other peopel are free to do so as they wish
Post by
Adamsm
Also as to the people who keep saying this topic has been discussed to death, there are a lot of people new to this site, new to wow, or new to lore, or just havnt been reading up latley. So to these people the topic, if you are tired of this topic being discussed than theres a simple answer, dont discuss it, but other peopel are free to do so as they wish
Then the new people can look at the original discussions instead of making thread #500 on why the Horde/Alliance are pure evil.
Post by
Gone
Also as to the people who keep saying this topic has been discussed to death, there are a lot of people new to this site, new to wow, or new to lore, or just havnt been reading up latley. So to these people the topic, if you are tired of this topic being discussed than theres a simple answer, dont discuss it, but other peopel are free to do so as they wish
Then the new people can look at the original discussions instead of making thread #500 on why the Horde/Alliance are pure evil.
Which would require sifting through old threads a dozen pages back, if you dont want to discuss this nobodys forcing you to (thats a general statement to everybody, not just u personaly).
I mean this isnt really a general "horde is evil" or "alliance is evil" thread, its specificly about camp taurajo. The fact is the Alliance vs Horde debate has been going on since the begining and it will keep going on till the end of wow, nothing wrong with discussing it.
Post by
Adamsm
Whatever; but the fact remains, it was already discussed to death, and the OP didn't even really add anything new which hasn't been said in the hundreds of other Horde vs Alliance discussions....hell, this topic had been a dead horse since the Cata Beta when it was first shown what happened to the Camp.
So yes; people will say the it's been discussed to death because it has. Not every single though or 'brilliant' insight needs it own thread. He/she could have posted it in the General Lore thread, where there was a long rousing debate about this less then 2 weeks ago.
I'm fine for the forum being active in a non-RP way, but not for topics like this.
Post by
Gone
Yea your probobly right, its just a pet peeve of mine I guess
Post by
Skreeran
Also what about Gilneaus? A neutral city attacked out of nowhere by the Forsaken and Orcs, with half the quests revolving around killing civilians.That's actually a pretty good comparison. They were both attacked for mostly tactical reasons, with some of the scummier types resorting to dishonorable conduct. Both sides provided a way for their enemy to retreat (with less than stellar results), and both have causes some serious resentment by the other side.
The difference is that while this is seen as a big step down for the Alliance, it's almost a step up for the Forsaken... :P
Post by
Gone
The difference is that while this is seen as a big step down for the Alliance, it's almost a step up for the Forsaken... :P
Hahahahaha yea the Forsaken have always been pretty dark, its only latley that people notice it because their not single mindedly focused on fighting the Lich King anymore.
Post by
649369
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Post by
4dehorde
EDIT: To be honest, I think you're trying to prove that the Horde can do no wrong. As I said, both sides are equally evil in their acts. Both sides have evil people amongst them, it really has nothing to do with the sides themselves.
That is how you percieve my words, but that is not true. I'm just proving the Alliance is not the holiest of holies so many people who play WoW believe.
Massacre:
1. the unnecessary, indiscriminate killing of a large number of human beings or animals, as in barbarous warfare or persecution or for revenge or plunder.
2. a general slaughter, as of persons or animals
Assault:
1. a sudden, violent attack; onslaught:
Actually, that definition does prove they are two different things. People, even innocents, are purposely killed in massacres, while assaults on towns focus more on capturing the town or destroying it.
Post by
4dehorde
Actualy Southshore is the exact same thing, the town was plague bombed and completley destroyed.
Also what about Gilneaus? A neutral city attacked out of nowhere by the Forsaken and Orcs, with half the quests revolving around killing civilians.
I did all the Horde quests in Gilneas, and there is no quest at all to kill civilians. The only quests there are to reinforce the army against attacking worgen. Also, please explain how a massacre can be compared to a common attack? Southshore posed a major threat to the Forsaken, while Taurajo was just a small village with little to no military value.
Post by
Adamsm
EDIT: To be honest, I think you're trying to prove that the Horde can do no wrong. As I said, both sides are equally evil in their acts. Both sides have evil people amongst them, it really has nothing to do with the sides themselves. That is how you percieve it. I'm just proving the Alliance is not the holiest of holies so many people who play WoW belive.
No actually your not; your just continuing the 'Horde is better then the Alliance' mentality that has existed since the start of WoW. Since the start of Cata, it's been a war for land, supplies and all the rest; you see it all through out Northern Kalimdor after all.
Darkshore: Alliance nearly wipes out the Shatterspear.
Ashenvale: Both sides are at war, but the Horde commander there is forced to make a bad decision and attempted to use Fel to fight back...and nearly paid for her life with it. Alliance 'seems' to win at the end...or at least, fight to a draw.
Stonetalon: Horde Commander drops a nuke on a neutral target, and tries to kill his own people for disagreeing with him. Alliance helps to save the people of the neutral target and gets most of them out before the bomb drops.
The Barrens: Both sides are at war there, and yes, the Alliance burned down the Camp and killed all those who fought back...but they also allowed civilians and non-combatants to run....just a pity they ran into the Quillboar and the Nightmare corruption.
Again, world at war, with only the Forsaken seeming to 'win'. Your original post is just the standard "Nah nah nah! You Alliance newbs suck! We Horde players are awesome!"
while Taurajo was just a small village with little to no military value.Except it was on the path that lead right into Mulgore.
I did all the Horde quests in Gilneas, and there is no quest at all to kill civilians.When you play through the zone as a Worgen, you watch as the Forsaken attack civilian targets and kill people all across Gilneas.
Post by
Treskol
Besides all the other things being said....
I mean really, for all their talk of being "heroes", those in the Alliance are really no better than what they make the Horde out to be.
Because Propaganda doesn't work both ways, right?
Urgg, the urge to Godwin this thread
Post by
Adamsm
Heh, that's why so many said it's been discussed to death Treskol; standard chatter, no substance.
Post by
Gone
Actually, that definition does prove they are two different things. People, even innocents, are purposely killed in massacres, while assaults on towns focus more on capturing the town or destroying it.
Southshore was plague bombed, they hit everything, the chapel, the inn, the houses. And btw biological warfare actualy focuses on killing living things and leaving structure and propertie untouched, how was that not a massacre?
I did all the Horde quests in Gilneas, and there is no quest at all to kill civilians.
I thought there was a quest to go to that island where the Southshore refugees are hold up and kill them? Anyway if not most of the Worgen starting quests involve the Forsaken killing civilians who are trying to escape.
Post by
4dehorde
No actually your not; your just continuing the 'Horde is better then the Alliance' mentality that has existed since the start of WoW. Since the start of Cata, it's been a war for land, supplies and all the rest; you see it all through out Northern Kalimdor after all.
Darkshore: Alliance nearly wipes out the Shatterspear.
Ashenvale: Both sides are at war, but the Horde commander there is forced to make a bad decision and attempted to use Fel to fight back...and nearly paid for her life with it. Alliance 'seems' to win at the end...or at least, fight to a draw.
Stonetalon: Horde Commander drops a nuke on a neutral target, and tries to kill his own people for disagreeing with him. Alliance helps to save the people of the neutral target and gets most of them out before the bomb drops.
The Barrens: Both sides are at war there, and yes, the Alliance burned down the Camp and killed all those who fought back...but they also allowed civilians and non-combatants to run....just a pity they ran into the Quillboar and the Nightmare corruption.
Again, world at war, with only the Forsaken seeming to 'win'. Your original post is just the standard "Nah nah nah! You Alliance newbs suck! We Horde players are awesome!".Except it was on the path that lead right into Mulgore.When you play through the zone as a Worgen, you watch as the Forsaken attack civilian targets and kill people all across Gilneas
I know your pissed someone is going against the Alliance, but that does not give you the right to patronize me, twist my words, make stuff up, or put words in my mouth. It is you that is playing the "Alliance is good. Horde is evil" card, and it really is not working.
And BTW, at the end of the Southern Barrens, the Horde is winning. They are as well in Ashenvale (or at least have forced the Alliance to a stalemate), Stonetalon, and Aszhara. It is clear you haven't done any Horde quests in the region. Overlord Krom'gar payed with his life for dropping that bomb. Garrosh gave him a lecture on proper conduct in war before executing him. Also, Horde druids have begun to heal the grove.
If you did Horde quests at Taurajo, you would see the Alliance soldiers did not follow the general's orders. They did not try to spare anyone. They let no one run. Out of over 100 townspeople and several guards, only about a dozen survived and no guards lived. There is no shirking from the facts, the Alliance did evil at Taurajo, no matter how you spin it.
The jornal of Clerk Horrace Whitestead shows most people escaped the towns in Hillsbrad before the Forsaken attacked, thus proving more survived there than at Taurajo. I'm also so sure no Forsaken citizens suffered and died at the hands of humans and worgen over the years, or during the Alliance invasions. There are two sides to every conflict you know.
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