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Monday
Wow... I thought that the user-name Garrosh was already taken =P
Post by
Rankkor
sorry for sounding like a noob here but....why in the first place did garrrosh replace thrall as warchief of the horde? (i havent been able to play wow for while, stupid exams -.-'')
easy.
to expand Adamsm answer:
when Deathwing returned to azeroth he did so via the Maelstrom (the maelstrom is a powerfull vortex of primal energy, it's an eternal sea storm in the center of the world, that's where the old well of eternity used to be)
when Deathwing (from this point foward refered to as "D-wing") returned, he caused a massive rift in the maelstrom and shattered one of the "earth pillars" in the earth plane "Deepholm".
these pillars are what hold together the elemental plane of the earth, and are balanced, when 1 shatters, the rest weaken and shatter too, if all of them shatter, basically the elemental plane of the earth is "leaked" via the maelstrom to the rest of azeroth and this would cause the world to explode (and implode at the same time o_O)
as it is, the cataclysm happens because when deathwing rises from deepholm via the maelstrom, for a split second, Azeroth and Deepholm leaked into each other, and this split second cause all the crap-load of damage both on azeroth and on deepholm
since Thrall is THE MOST POWERFULL SHAMAN (and some say the most powerfull mortal too) IN THE WHOLE WORLD it's up to him to prevent this disaster. So he travels to the maelstrom, and by himself he basically fullfills the same job Atlas has in greek mitology xD.
Thrall is all that stands between azeroth and total obliteration, he is using his primal power to keep both worlds separated and stable, and it's up to us to fix the damage deathwing has caused, in order to estabilize permanently the maelstrom.
for Ovious reasons thrall can't just "take a break" from holding the weight of the world, if he stops for even 1 sec, BOOM, kiss azeroth goodbye, he has to stay there for god-knows how long, till the damage is fixed. In the meantime someone will have to look out for the orcs and the horde, and so he chose someone TEMPORAL to be Warchief while he keeps the world alive.
duh, when the crisis is solved, he will return to orgrimmar and resume leadership of his people.
Post by
Adamsm
since Thrall is THE MOST POWERFULL SHAMAN (and some say the most powerfull mortal too) IN THE WHOLE WORLD it's up to him to prevent this disaster. So he travels to the maelstrom, and by himself he basically fullfills the same job Atlas has in greek mitology xD.*cough*Sue*cough*.. seriously, there are other Shamans who are probably stronger then him... like one who has about 10-20 years of experience....If Nobundo isn't there leading the Earthen Ring... I'm going to be pissed.....
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Adamsm
since Thrall is THE MOST POWERFULL SHAMAN (and some say the most powerfull mortal too) IN THE WHOLE WORLD it's up to him to prevent this disaster. So he travels to the maelstrom, and by himself he basically fullfills the same job Atlas has in greek mitology xD.*cough*Sue*cough*.. seriously, there are other Shamans who are probably stronger then him... like one who has about 10-20 years of experience....If Nobundo isn't there leading the Earthen Ring... I'm going to be pissed.....
Least there's another insanely powerful Broken shaman in it. :-p Erunak.
I get making Thrall more active... but seriously, don't turn him into a Savior..... that's why people @#$%^ about Rhonin after all, don't need Thrall tainted with that too. And really? Another powerful Broken who just happens to be there.. when Nobundo was the
First
of any of the Exile race, normal or mutated to control the Elements... yeah, really seeing the 'who gives a %^&* about the draenei' lore thing now...
Post by
Garenzo
since Thrall is THE MOST POWERFULL SHAMAN (and some say the most powerfull mortal too) IN THE WHOLE WORLD it's up to him to prevent this disaster. So he travels to the maelstrom, and by himself he basically fullfills the same job Atlas has in greek mitology xD.*cough*Sue*cough*.. seriously, there are other Shamans who are probably stronger then him... like one who has about 10-20 years of experience....If Nobundo isn't there leading the Earthen Ring... I'm going to be pissed.....
Least there's another insanely powerful Broken shaman in it. :-p Erunak.
I get making Thrall more active... but seriously, don't turn him into a Savior..... that's why people @#$%^ about Rhonin after all, don't need Thrall tainted with that too. And really? Another powerful Broken who just happens to be there.. when Nobundo was the
First
of any of the Exile race, normal or mutated to control the Elements... yeah, really seeing the 'who gives a %^&* about the draenei' lore thing now...
Well I agree about Nobundu. If there's one draenei who should be in this expansion it should be him for sure. I'm all for Thrall stepping down for a bit though since I really like the Garrosh character. Hope they don't make Thrall's role too cheesy like, well, Rhonin though.
(Managed to delete my post >.< thought I had posted it in the wrong thread at first)
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Post by
TheNexus
Sorry thrall, Malfurion is the strongest mortal in azeroth and has been saving the world for over 13,000 years. But we still love you. lol i got 'scalawag' as the captcha
Post by
Skreeran
Sorry thrall, Malfurion is the strongest mortal in azeroth and has been saving the world for over 13,000 years. But we still love you. lol i got 'scalawag' as the captchaNah, I wouldn't say that.
Malfurion and Thrall are about equal in my mind, thanks to the forces backing them.
And one of them I vastly prefer reading about than the other.
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Post by
Skreeran
Sorry thrall, Malfurion is the strongest mortal in azeroth and has been saving the world for over 13,000 years. But we still love you. lol i got 'scalawag' as the captchaNah, I wouldn't say that.
Malfurion and Thrall are about equal in my mind, thanks to the forces backing them.
And one of them I vastly prefer reading about than the other.
Individually, they aren't strong, it's the forces that back them. Both have the power to say : "No."
Which fits Blizzard's purposes quite nicely.Well, individually, Thrall's still pretty damned strong... :P
But I get your point. It's the same one I was making.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
And really? Another powerful Broken who just happens to be there.. when Nobundo was the
First
of any of the Exile race, normal or mutated to control the Elements... yeah, really seeing the 'who gives a %^&* about the draenei' lore thing now...Seeing how many random Broken seem to be in the Earthen Ring? If Nobundo doesn't do something important, I'm going to be irritated.
On the up note, Farseer Umbrua seems to be getting moved into Stormwind proper. The Dwarven District, where she'll be hobnobbing with a Wildhammer couple, to be exact.
Post by
TheNexus
well consider this, thrall is the strongest orc in azeroth and is almost certainly the strongest shaman but he wasn't the first shaman. Malfurion is the first druid and has been honing his skills against the burning legion, deathwing, and the emerald nightmare for the last 10,000 years at least. Not sure about his first 5,000 years wowwiki here i come. That's where mal has an advantage. But if your saying they draw upon the forces of nature for their power then i would have to say that thrall is at a disadvantage (elemental plane is in chaos as of now.) i would love to see them both get more face time with the player/the world but garrosh and varian take up that spot light
Post by
TheNexus
btw which rep faction will you guys be leveling first, cen circle or earthen ring?(im going with earthen ring my cen circle is exalted due to being level capped in vanilla.
Post by
Skreeran
well consider this, thrall is the strongest orc in azeroth and is almost certainly the strongest shaman but he wasn't the first shaman. Malfurion is the first druid and has been honing his skills against the burning legion, deathwing, and the emerald nightmare for the last 10,000 years at least. Not sure about his first 5,000 years wowwiki here i come. That's where mal has an advantage. But if your saying they draw upon the forces of nature for their power then i would have to say that thrall is at a disadvantage (elemental plane is in chaos as of now.) i would love to see them both get more face time with the player/the world but garrosh and varian take up that spot lightNah, druidism and shamanism are less about the personal power and experience of the channeler, and more about how much the respective forces that give them power sympathize with the channeler.
The natural forces that a druid call forth are no more powerful than the natural forces that a shaman calls, and vice versa, so, assuming Thrall and Malfurion are on equal moral ground in their contest, I think the results would be equal too.
It's less Malfurion versus Thrall as individuals as it is the forces of nature backing Thrall versus the forces of nature backing Malfurion, and those forces are about equal as far as anyone can tell.
Post by
Rankkor
seriously, there are other Shamans who are probably stronger then him... like one who has about 10-20 years of experience....
seriously adamsm, time or experience has nothing to do with the streght of a shaman, all oficial lore recognizes thrall as THE most powerfull shaman in the world (and note that I'm not the one saying "the most powerful mortal" :P that's what some peeps say, but in my eyes malfurion is probably the most powerfull mortal)
nobundo may have been the first draenei shaman, but that doesn't equals to him being the most powerful, if he was, why isn't he the one holding the frikking maelstrom togheter?
shamans aren't like druids, or mages, or paladins, or warlocks, who require years of practice or experience, no no, they are unique because their streght is directly related to their closenes to the elements, the more close to the elements you are=the stronger feats they perform for you.
and that closeness with the elements can be made either over decades, or over days.
honestly, a new shaman with barely months in the business could be potentially more powerful than the old sage shaman who's been in the business for 70 years, time makes no diference for a shaman, because they aren't the owners of their powers (wich is the case with mages, or warlocks, or priests ect)
because of this, nobundo while a powerful shaman, isn't nearly on the same level as thrall when it comes to power and dominion of the elemental power.
think for a sec who among the 2 of them has done more for the world? Thrall has, and because thrall has helped more, the elements favor him more, so if the elements favor him more, he is more stronger.
That's the reason why thrall is unrivaled when it comes to shamanism, because he's the most active shaman ever. Nobundo has served only (and only) as a trainer for newer generations of shamans across azeroth and outland, but he himself hasn't actually done anything, and this is why his elemental strenght is weaker.
(and yhea I admit the "probably stronger mortal part" was a bit unnecesary xD)
also as sigmafel pointed out, this doesn't make Thrall a sue like rhonin, because Thrall himself is not doing "all" the job, he's holding the malestrom together, but it's up to US to fix the world pillars and mend the damage that D-wing caused.
Thrall in the meantime is the one barrier that keeps the world safe.
Post by
Adamsm
That's the reason why thrall is unrivaled when it comes to shamanism, because he's the most active shaman ever. Nobundo has served only (and only) as a trainer for newer generations of shamans across azeroth and outland, but he himself hasn't actually done anything, and this is why his elemental strenght is weaker.
See, maybe on Azeroth... but Nobundo started on Draenor, and lived through not just the War with the Orcs, but the destruction of the world as well; more then likely he and the other budding shamans were helping to keep the Draenei cities intact as the world went to hell. I'm not trying to bad mouth Thrall or lower his standing... I just don't think he's the 'most powerful' of all the Shamans across all the races and across both worlds. And if the Elements played favorites like that... then why did Drek'thar ever lose his powers, seeing as the Frostwolves didn't fall as quickly as the rest of the Horde; had they really wanted to, they could have kept helping him in secret instead of turning away from the Wolves like they did everyone else.
also as sigmafel pointed out, this doesn't make Thrall a sue like rhonin, because Thrall himself is not doing "all" the job, he's holding the malestrom together, but it's up to US to fix the world pillars and mend the damage that D-wing caused.
Thrall in the meantime is the one barrier that keeps the world safe.
Blizzard is pulling him down the Savior path... same as they allowed Knaak to do with Rhonin....
Post by
Rankkor
See, maybe on Azeroth... but Nobundo started on Draenor
shamans on azeroth, shamans on draenor..... what's the diference? a shaman is a shaman, here, in outland, in argus, and in the roman circus. The time period, or place where someone starts the path of the shaman has nothing to do with their strength.
and lived through not just the War with the Orcs, but the destruction of the world as well; more then likely he and the other budding shamans were helping to keep the Draenei cities intact as the world went to hell.
actually no.
as a vindicator, Nobundo fought in the war with the orcs, and worked his ass to protect his people, but the elements only take into account his actions since his birth as a shaman, and by the time he started walking the path of the shaman he was already a broken, an outcast, all he did was sit in a mountain for months lamenting his fate, and once his shamanistic powers awakened, all he did for months was build is relationship with the other elements (only the wind spoke to him at first) and once he was allowed back into draenei settlements, all he did was simply teach the path of shamanism to the younger generations.
that's it.
Thrall on the other hand has done much more monumental tasks than just teach others how to be a shaman.
And if the Elements played favorites like that... then why did Drek'thar ever lose his powers, seeing as the Frostwolves didn't fall as quickly as the rest of the Horde; had they really wanted to, they could have kept helping him in secret instead of turning away from the Wolves like they did everyone else.
because regardless of their motivations, the frostwolves did participated in the draenei slaughter, ok, durotar didn't wanted to doit, but he did it anyways, and his clan did it too, and that's why the elements denied Drek'thar his powers.
it didn't helped that he almost imidietly became a warlock, tainting himself further with demon magic.
The elements don't play favorites, they don't just hand you something for nothing, you have to earn it.
wich leads us to..... again, Thrall having done A HUGE DEAL to earn all the power he has, more so than any shaman alive.
Blizzard is pulling him down the Savior path... same as they allowed Knaak to do with Rhonin....
I would agree with you if Thrall was doing all the work and we just stand there looking dumb while he unleashes a can of woopass on the enemy, but that isn't the case, he is doing his part, and we are doing ours, wich sets him apart from rhonin who made the whole night-elven army look like a bunch of n00bs when he meddled in the war of the ancients.
I just don't think he's the 'most powerful' of all the Shamans across all the races and across both worlds.
and I don't think Rhonin is stronger than Jaina as a mage, but again, if blizz says so, then it's cannon bro'
all lore sources quite bluntly say that Thrall is not "a" shaman, but THE shaman. Heck even Ner'zhul looks like an amateur next to Thrall. and Ner'zhul was the most powerful shaman on outland.
all classes have their most powerfull dude, it's irrelevant if we like it or not.
a few examples:
Strongest Warlock ever (not counting eredars) Gul'dan.
Strongest Mage ever: Rhonin.
Strongest Druid ever: Malfurion.
Strongest Shaman ever: Thrall.
Strongest Death Knight ever (first generation) Teron Gorefiend (second generation) Arthas/lich king (third generation, AKA Ebon Blade) Darion Mograine.
Strongest Paladin ever: Uther.
it's kinda hard to gauge who's the strongest warrior/rogue/hunter of all times, but if I had to choose from the warrior I'd say is a tie between Lothar and Grom.
(just be glad that the highest ever is mostly made up from alliance races bro')
Post by
Adamsm
actually no.
as a vindicator, Nobundo fought in the war with the orcs, and worked his ass to protect his people, but the elements only take into account his actions since his birth as a shaman, and by the time he started walking the path of the shaman he was already a broken, an outcast, all he did was sit in a mountain for months lamenting his fate, and once his shamanistic powers awakened, all he did for months was build is relationship with the other elements (only the wind spoke to him at first) and once he was allowed back into draenei settlements, all he did was simply teach the path of shamanism to the younger generations.
that's it.Beyond the Dark Portal still occurred after Nobundo had started teaching the Draenei shamanism Rank; so unless through pure luck all the Draenei settlements escaped any and all damage from the explosion of Draenor..... they were probably helping to protect their lands with the help of the Elements to keep the cities from being destroyed.
The elements don't play favorites, they don't just hand you something for nothing, you have to earn it.
wich leads us to..... again, Thrall having done A HUGE DEAL to earn all the power he has, more so than any shaman alive.Heh, I still find that slightly amusing; Thrall just happens to be the first real shaman in 30 odd years to emerge from the orcs, and he just happens to be part of the one uncorrupted clan... Again though, not bad mouthing Thrall, I just don't like that out of all the shamans; from the tauren, the wildhammer dwarves, the trolls, and the draenei, and the other orcs, he's the special child, the 'big one'; let's be honest, if Thrall dies, the Elements are not going to lament over it, as death is part of the over all circle.
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