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Reidra
I love Paladin tanks more than anything else -- when they're good. I also tend to be the most wary of Paladin tanks, because I see so many of them who are terrible. But with a good Paladin tank, I can even AOE on my mage and never have to worry about taking aggro -- I'll trust them with pretty much anything.
I've never had a bad experience with a PuG druid tank yet, but I'm sure it'll happen eventually. I tend to be nervous with pretty much any tank until a few pulls in, since I don't know what they're capable of.
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mojojojo101
Tbh i nvr play with pala tanks so whenever i see one i end up being quite wary. Warriors i have no problem with and druids are fine aswell. Out of warrior and druid i have seen alot more bad warrior tanks
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blademeld
warrior tank and druid OT on raid bosses, paladin tanks for everything else
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Izichial
I play a feral druid in endgame (up to Mother Shahraz in Black Temple at the moment) and have a protection paladin alt, and is the officer in charge of tanks in my guild, as well as the highest attendance tank, and have an extremely close working relationship with the guild maintank (warrior) as the given offtank for any encounter needing one, and sometimes maintank (maintanked among others the firstkill of Azgalor). The above posters are fully correct.
An example from my tankadin; late night, a group looking for a tank for Steamvaults - I poke the guy with my then-level 68 protection paladin, and says I can tank for him. My gear is decent for the level - I socket my gear with stamina gems where I can, have some really decent pieces and enchanted some of it. As stated above my tanking experience is good. Immediately when I've joined two of the members speak up questioning a) my level and b) the very idea of using a paladin tank, and then they both "remember" that they don't actually need anything from Steamvaults and leave. The group leader, which was very kind, found two new dpsers in 30 seconds and we cleared the instance with only one wipe. After the run two members whisper me and praises me for "awesome" tanking and both add that they really love protection paladins.
But yes, paladins currently have problems in raids. The biggest problem, I think, is the same as protection warriors have, that they can't do much good when they're not tanking, but protection warriors are much more
given
as tanking in a raid which means protection paladins are potentially "squeezed out" where feral druids can do at least half decent dps and has a group buff desirable for melee when they're not tanking. And when it comes to protection warrior vs protection paladin, paladins simply loose on everything except AoE tanking (and threat, but in endgame threat is rarely a problem); itemisation, health pool, availability and perhaps biggest of all - "oh shit" buttons. I count the ability to break fear into those "oh shit" buttons, and this is probably the biggest warrior advantage of all.
Edit: a note about maintanks, though. A maintank is not necessarily the most optimal class you have available, but rather, a person with more or less extreme attendance and dedication. If I had to choose between a paladin with 95% attendance and a warrior with 60%, I'd rather pick the paladin. A druid have more problems as maintank than both paladins and warriors due to the design if many key encounters, Kael'thas Pyroblasts and Illidan's Shear most notably. The only fight where warriors really are given on top of my head are Archimonde (due to a regular fear) and Reliquary/Essence of Souls phase two (due to having to spell reflect Deaden).
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blademeld
Yeah, a lot of prot pallies overestimate the amount of spell damage they neeed to hold aggro...get a caster sword and that should be enough. But a prot pally with absolutely no spell damage won't hold aggro no matter what they do.
bleh, i don't even use a caster weapon, i have ~100 spelldamage (from gear + 40 spelldamage from my weapon) and i don't lose aggro, i'm pretty sure i can hold aggro without spelldamage though... planning to replace my king's defender with the sun eater and place the weapon chain once 2.3 comes out.. i'll tell you how that works out... next year... when i can play normaly...
Prot pallies do mad DPS when they're tanking because of all their AoE. They are also the best AoE farmers in the game.
that's only towards multi-targets, but point well made.
paladin AoE farming = love
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Goose
I don't care if the tank is a Warrior, Druid or Paladin, as long as they can tank...
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