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Hyperspacerebel
Perhaps, but it isn't worth the talent point and I'd rather have blood corruption on four targets (I have HotR glyphed) than just use SoComm and not have dots on targets. SoComm hits fewer targets, which of course is a moot point in a pull of 3-4 mobs.
At your level, SoComm may work, but when you get to my level and you're pulling multiple pulls at a time, you want to be tab targetting with HotR to get blood corruption stacks on all targets so you don't lose them to AoE dps. It's good practise to get in the habit of using SoCorr for AoE fights now.
And especially, if you start raiding, you'll be put on AoE (and you will be, people look at paladins and think "aoe tank" for a damn good reason). Thorim, Razorscale, Onyxia and a few others spawn many, many adds and SoComm just won't cut it at that point.
Name a single group of heroic trash that isn't dead is 12 second with today's gearing.
Post by
svirve
Because of a lack of sleep i havn't read all the replies to be honest so i apologise if this has already been covered.
About two weeks ago i hit 80 with my 4th paladin, my first one solely dedicated to tanking.
Being on a really popular server i couldnt get a pug even if i traded my account for a spot with 22k HP. Not saying it's anything wrong with that just adding some flesh to the story.
Also being on a very popular server means groups are going all the time which means that DPS is going to have good gear with all the emblems raining down from the sky.
My first run in a HC was in CoS, now this place is one of the easiest heroics.
But when you've got DPS dishing out about 1.5k DPS per target in an AoE situation and you're doing about 400 per target hell is about to break loose and you know it.
Even though hc CoS is easy enough to do it blindfolded there are alot of adds and "disturbances" in the form of the 1k HP zombies walking around. Now these zombies arn't critters so they will take hits from HotR, HS and AS which in turn means that you'll be doing less TPS. So you can count on that you're not the one tanking.
This is where, to me, the fun starts. When i see that both of my taunts are constantly on CD but none of the DPS are dying, i know i've fullfilled every single duty that i have as a tank. I've made sure that nobody else than me takes a beating, and since my taunts are always on CD the DPS are doing their effing worst to make sure these mother fathers die ASAP.
Also this is were you'll get to know if you're a good tank, or someone who watched a kill video with the PoV of a tank thinking "hey that looks fun!".
Seeing the text "Changed target" on your screen doesnt automatically mean you need to taunt or even know
who
to taunt.
Now there are a couple of things that makes life easier (not as funny IMO but sometimes necessary).
If you dont already have a damage meter get one, find out who is the highest DPS, focus them and always assist them after the initial pull. Nobody will assist the tank to DPS his target.
Marking does not come with an extra purse. CC might do so be careful to use that around strangers.
Keep a VERY high pace when pulling. Be aware of your limits though you dont want to wipe just make sure the DPS doesn't get time to breathe. This will mean any mana users is gonna run out of mana and warriors/dks/rogues are going to stop to breathe at some point.
The 969 rotation as supposed earlier (i did read some posts) is very versatile. Try dropping a cons pre pull and do HS as the mobs are running for you. Or start out with HotR instead of HS, HotR is the best threat you have for 2-4 targets.
Now for me to stop this wall of text since i'm guessing im just repeating what everybody said but eh whatever i need to keep my post count up! (IM COMING FOR YOU BLADEMELD!)
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Post by
TheJohan
Gemming and enchanting can be very expensive for fresh 80's. You don't allways have to spend your money on the epic enchants and gems tho.
24 stam gems are a dime'a'dozen, and the 45stam 15 agility leg enchant is pretty cheap too, compared to the epic version.
Perfectly viable options for heroic tanking, imho.
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Post by
JemiS
Here
is what you can get as a fresh 80, without running dungeons.
Due to the ease of obtaining the above gear set, I personally don't like to have people geared under that standard tank Heroics, as it shows a lack of effort.
Your armory, for instance, shows you missing leg enchants, belt socket, +22 stam to boots, +40 stam to bracers, and a meta gem in your helm.
After getting the easy, baseline gear set I provided above, I would run ToC normal until you have the equivalent of
this gear set
.
At 27k hp, and good avoidance, no one should be turning you down for a group.
Putting a good tanking set together takes relatively little time.
Yes, becuase everybody has an asston of money to buy enchants and crafted epics when they hit level 80. Maybe if you're leveling a tank alt and have a main to get gold off of, but I had to scramble for money when I was a fresh 80. Titansteel goes for 150g+ per bar on my realm. The crafted epics you recommend use 10 bars total, that's 1500 right there. Leg enchants go for 275. Add to that the cost of the BOE blues, frozen orbs, saronite bars and enchanting mats, and you're talking over 2000g that a lot of people breaking into 80 for the first time don't have just lying around.
@OP: Object lessons in throttling dps are relatively simple. Don't rescue them. A high repair bill will either teach them some teamwork or cause them to nerdrage and quit, and dps are easy to find. Obviously this doesn't work in a raid situation, because there it's your responsibility to hold aggro, or the raid dies, but losing a dps is relatively painless in a heroic. It just means things go slower.
Eventually, you'll meet up with people similarly geared, put them on your friends list, and start running heroics with them and have fewer problems. Elitists who think nobody has the right to be geared worse than them aren't worth your time. I got the same crap when I was freshly 80 and my gear was pretty much the same as yours.
That profile is exactly what I did on my first 80, a prot paladin, when I wanted to start tanking heroics. It's not that hard.
Yes, you might spend 1500g for 3 epics. It is money well spent, as you will not replace them for quite a while. Helm lasts until t8 very nicely, and shield will last well, forever.
And you don't have to pay AH price if you actually think... Gather mats, pay a miner for the Smelt Titansteel- repeat for a few days, get mats, gear up. Leg armor goes for 275, sure- but the mats don't go for close to that. Buy mats, get someone to make what you need.
And really, it's not that hard to have a few k gold saved up by 80. Starting from a zero point at 70 (epic flier), I had over 3kg after leveling straight to 80, and I had even purchased cold weather flying at 77.
If you don't have the money to get the gear you need to be successful at your role, then perhaps it is time to put in the effort to farm some cash/materials, raise reputations to get rep gear, and make your character good enough to get into groups.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that from a new 80. I know I spent a few weeks at 80 gearing up to what I felt was a comfortable level before starting heroics. Especially if it's your first character, what's the rush?
As to your last sentence: I would have gotten crap as a freshly dinged 80, but instead I decided to work a little bit, read up, and deck myself out so I wouldn't take crap. It worked quite well for me, and I didn't have to get pulled along.
And Ravenus: No one ever said to get geared up in 1 day- just take it slow. There is no reason to expect to ding 80 and jump straight into heroics.
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JemiS
Oh, and if you notice on the first profile I linked:
The "expensive enchant" is solely Titanweave. The others consist of the entry level (no frozen orb) leg armor, +22 stam to boots, +def to shield and +HP to chest. And Heavy Borean Armor kits.... Which are pretty cheap.
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Post by
Squishalot
Yes, becuase everybody has an asston of money to buy enchants and crafted epics when they hit level 80. Maybe if you're leveling a tank alt and have a main to get gold off of, but I had to scramble for money when I was a fresh 80.
I bought epics when I hit 80, about 2k gold worth. Built myself a tanking set of about 25k hp and 540 defense within 3 days (of course, I was lucky in HoL and got Seal of the Pantheon rather quickly).
At 80, even if its you're first toon, you still have a crap ton of quests, along with dailies that can be done, which makes gold pretty fast.
Agreed. I crafted my epics for Prot *and* Ret when I hit 80 (first main, all my alts were <L40). I picked up my rep gear which I ground up from dailies. When Argent Tournament came around, I was one of the first to grab the tanking axe. I blew 1k gold on a set of Bracers of Dalaran's Parapets. Picked up a heap of cheap +Str or +Dodge/Stam gems.
Within the space of about 7 heroic runs (two as tank, 5 as dps), I'd build up a set with around 24k hp and 550 defense. I don't even have tanking trinkets (though that's my fault - I never ran HoL, and I didn't have much time to play during Brewfest). Key thing - I didn't waste 4k gold on epic flying, meaning I had more resources to spend on gear.
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