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Thror
Eh rankkorr, you are going all out serious and cynical now.
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Rankkor
Well, IN MY OPINION, because Civil War quest is also handed at the beginning and the entire premise of the opening combines Dragons and Civil War, they both have big impact on the whole world. So, it not might be true now, but I think it was intended to be so, at some point of development.
that's the thing, the civil war is shown at the beggining of the game, and then never again shows up on any of the other campaigns, in fact, resolving it or not, shows pretty much zero impact on the game at all. Whereas the main campaign DOES show some changes on the plot and the world (Dragons everywhere)
plus the entire civil war campaign is just taking forts from nameless NPCs, that's it. You start the campaign (for either side) take 1 fort, then comes the battle of whiterun (where you defend it if you fight for the empire, or attack it if you fight for the rebels) and then you attack 4 more forts, and finnaly, besiege the capital of the oposite faction (Solitude if you support the rebels, whitereach if you support the empire)
meanwhile, the main campaign has a lot more dialog, a lot more character development, a lot more important background impact on your actions, ect ect.
This is why the dragon crisis, is MAIN, and civil war is just a side-story you can even ignore without major consequences.
WOW, you just gave me a rant on topic of my allegiance in video game? Serious business much?
not really. Serious business would require me, berating you, and name-calling you for choosing something different than me. (The part where I called you a fascist scum was specifically a joke :P)
I simply like to go into detail of why I choose what I choose on RPGs.
I guess my info was screwed up in translation. In Russian version, it sounds like king was barely of age, because everyone refers to him in terms of endearment, calls his wife too young to rule (I assumed they have same age) and describe that Ulfric just walked up to the throne and yelled at king to the point of death.
that's not your translation, :P its the same on the english version.
Its called "historic revisionism" and people do it all the time, in real-life and videogames. They bend the truth, to better support their arguments.
Those in favor of the empire, tend to downplay the age of the king, to make it seem like he was barely a teen (but as that epic beard can show you, he was far from being a teen) and also make it seem that ulfric use the Tu'um to 1shot him by blowing him up. (When in reality they had an actual duel "duel", and at a mid-point during the duel, ulfric shouted to stagger the king, and stabbed him in the chest)
also, while his wife IS too young to rule, do remember that in medieval times it wasn't uncommon to marry very old men, to absurdly young women xD.
It was quite common for kings to be up to 30 years older than their wives.
Anyway, Empire has Empire, and Skyrim is no good enough to protect itself against combined might of Empire and Talmore. They will be better off in a long run.
no they wont.
The empire has shown that they care too little about their provinces. When the thalmor take the gloves off (and from what you gather at the embassy they specifically say that the current peace is just a simple temporal truce) the empire will do what they did best in the past : Look after their own interest, and leave the other provinces to defend for themselves.
For an empire that demands taxes, and troops from all the anexed provinces, they do a very lousy job to earn those troops and taxes. Ask Hammerfell. :P
as for "the combined might of the empire and the thalmor" as I said before, the Thalmor hate all non-humans (In fact they hate all non-high-elves who aren't part of the thalmor) and once the truce goes off, they will attack the empire, so no, empire and thalmor won't attack together. And if Hammerfell was capable of fending off the Thalmor WITHOUT the aid of the empire, so can skyrim. Now imagine if Hammerfell, High Rock (another province abandoned by the empire) and Skyrim formed a coalition? THAT could defeat the thalmor without the need of a corrupt decadent empire that only cares about numero 1.....
rankkorr, you need to read
Thalmor Dossier: Ulfric Stormcloak
.
I did read that, it doesn't change anything.
Not after I researched the actual meaning of "
Asset
" in terms of intelligence-gathering.
Ulfric is a type 4 asset.
And if you were to kick the Empire out of Skyrim, what then? The Thalmor will come right back and take FULL control of the province. Now, this may be a choice between two evils, and the Empire are at their weakest point in history, but province independence (which is what you support were you to fight for the Stormcloaks) would only make the provinces easy pickings for the Aldmeri Dominion, especially Skyrim, no matter how strong the Stormcloaks grow to become.
say that to hammerfell :P they were left to fight the thalmor alone and repelled them successfully.
I do agree that the nations need to stick together to fully defeat the Thalmor, but being part of a decadent corrupt empire isn't the way to go. A coalition of Hammerfell (Best fighters on tamriel) High Rock (Best human mages on Tamriel) and Skyrim (most resillient people on tamriel) would put the Thalmor in their place, without the need of an empire that will bleed them dry with taxes and other demands, only to abandon them in their time of need. (Which they did before....... twice)
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I spent 10 hours installing Skyrim from the Game Stop website. Now I have to moderated wait 10 more hours to run the updates. I wish I could just play without the updates.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##Even with an asterisk, using words like that is considered circumventing the language filter. If you just type the word then the site's own language filter will replace it for you but I would rather you just didn't use that kind of language in a public forum like this.
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Rankkor
He seems to be a serious and strong man, how did Ulfric kill him so easily? Tu'um does not cut it. I am Dovakhiin and ordinary people shrug off most of my shouts pretty fast (unless he used freezing one or time freezer, in which case he is much better than he looks or gives and why he did not use them in our fight?). I thing some sort of foul play was involved.
hey, one of them was the superior fighter, simple as that, why must there be foul play involved? Besides, Ulfric didn't "killed him easily" it was a long drawn out duel, and then at some point during said duel, ulfric used only 1 shout (the unrelenting force one) to stagger the king, and stabbed him in the chest before he recovered.
As for why doesn't he uses them when we confront him,...... that's gameplay-vs-story segregation. Because General Tullius is also hyped up as the finest warrior the empire has to offer, and yet, he was a complete whimp when I faced him, Leggate Rikki was much more dangerous than him.
As for coalition, I don't think it would work. Simply because Stormcloaks make a big priority to be independent.
They are too stubborn to cooperate
.
the part of the main campaign where a truce is forged shows that is not the case. When the survival of the nords themselves are at stake, even the stormcloaks can make compromises.
I do agree that the nations need to stick together to fully defeat the Thalmor, but being part of a decadent corrupt empire isn't the way to go. A coalition of Hammerfell (Best fighters on tamriel) High Rock (Best human mages on Tamriel) and Skyrim (most resillient people on tamriel) would put the Thalmor in their place, without the need of an empire that will bleed them dry with taxes and other demands, only to abandon them in their time of need. (Which they did before....... twice)
Good idea. Good luck getting the fanatic nationalists of the Stormcloaks to buy into an alliance, though I could definitely see High Rock and Hammerfell forming their own alliance and holding their own against the Thalmor.
do read my above point.........
All of the soldiers of the stormcloaks (Ulfric included) fought on the empire's side for the wellbeing of other nations, including the imperial city, and the earlier incursions on hammerfell.
I don't deny that the stormcloaks are indeed quite bigoted against non-nords, but if the choice is "be alone and dead" or "Be on an alliance and alive" they'll choose the alliance. As long as said alliance doesn't dictate them what gods they can or can't worship (Which is what the empire is doing)
And beard is not a decent evidence. EVERYONE (nord) has a beard.
not the children.
A beard means you are an adult, not a teenager, or a child, an adult.
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Azazel
The youngest person i knew with a full beard was sixteen, does that mean he was an adult?
Physically perhaps. Mentally perhaps not.
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Rankkor
we have two gaps of unrepresented space from 0-11 and from 13 - 24, so how can you tell me that it's not just a game fudge?
because his
voice
sure as hell doesn't sound like that of a teen. As the old saying goes: "if he sounds like an adult, and looks like one, then DUH he is one"
Stop beating around the bush, no matter how much those pro-imperials wanna paint it, Torygg was an adult, simple as that, Ulfric challenged him to a duel, as a monarch he was bound by law to accept, and he lost.
Simple as that.
(That clip is from the last quest on the game, when you travel to Sovngarde (Elder Scroll's equivalent of Valhalla, the nord version of Heaven) in Sovngarde, you meet the ghosts of several people long dead, these can include the ghosts of ulfric stormcloak (if you finished the civil war in favor of the empire) or Legate Rikki (if you finished the war in favor of the rebels. Tullius doesn't show up because he was not a nord, nor did he believed in nord faith). If you wander in Sovngarde long enough you can find the ghost of the very High King Torygg, and he himself says he fought Ulfric without fear, hardly the case if there was foul play involved, or if he was "assassinated")
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MyTie
The wizard from dragon's reach sounds like John Malkovich, sarcasm and all. -
Come to dragon's reach to discuss the ongoing hostilities, like the rest of the 'great warriors'?
So what is everyone's favorite mod?
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Rankkor
The wizard from dragon's reach sounds like John Malkovich, sarcasm and all.
which made it all the more hilarious when he tries to get a scale of Odahviing, only for the dragon to shoot a stream of fire all across the room, and send the wizard running for his life xD
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dslg604t
Hey guys~
I was planning on buying Skyrim now whilst it's $50. Before I buy it, I just have a question.
Is there a "BiS" build? Because in Oblivion, Endurance (if I recall correctly) was best to level first.
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204878
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dslg604t
Is there a "BiS" build? Because in Oblivion, Endurance (if I recall correctly) was best to level first.
Probably, but all builds are viable, so minmaxing would just be a waste of time. Play what's fun, not what has a 0.0001% advantage over the rest.
EVERY build?
I'm just asking because Endurance was the only stat that had increased in benefit the earlier you added it. Which made it the first you wanted to level no matter what you were playing.
Post by
pezz
I thing the system's a bit too different for that to still happen.
One thing I notice is that I have a MUCH higher base carrying capacity as a non-beefy, heavy armor class. I started probably 80 points higher than I did with the same kind of character in Oblivion. So the need to power level Stamina probably isn't as dire.
It's also hard to focus level one thing, because perks require certain minimum skill levels. I can't just pump all of my points into Sneak for the first 10 levels, for example, because the last point takes 100 sneak, the second to last takes like 80, and even some of the earliest points can take 50 sneak skill.
Obviously there are going to be better early talents, etc., but you simply can't level one skill all the way right away anymore.
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