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Shamans are hybrids:Even in healing?
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Avandare
Could be a number of things. HW on a target with Guardian Spirit on him? I suppose the same COULD be said for the CH,
but it's through no doing of your own
.
The mere nature of a buff is to improve the performance of your fellow raid members. I know for a fact that my largest HW crit (25k) was on the MT on Mimi Phase 1 (Leviathan MkII) where he had to eat a Plasma Blast without long cooldown mitigation (GS, SW etc). In this instance it couldn't have come at a better time. I'm also 100% sure the MT had a number of standard raid buffs on him but does that suddenly detract from the quality of the heal?
Saying that we shouldn't look at buffed healing is a flawed argument. This is similar to telling somebody you should remove all flasks, food and buffs in raids because your may heal for large numbers or dps will be be better.
So yes, it has to do with buffs AND the player's ability to land the appropriate spell at the appropriate time (not to mention spec, gear, gemming, enchanting etc etc)
Shamans did not get worse, other classes were buffed where our raidhealing capabilities were left unchanged. This is about to change in 3.2 (if the PTR is left as is). I hope it will be enough of a buff to raidhealing.
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Mesoforte
Could be a number of things. HW on a target with Guardian Spirit on him? I suppose the same COULD be said for the CH,
but it's through no doing of your own
.
Saying that we shouldn't look at buffed healing is a flawed argument. This is similar to telling somebody you should remove all flasks, food and buffs in raids because your may heal for large numbers or dps will be be better.
That my friend is a statement, not an argument. He's not arguing that you should never take buffs into account when understanding how to heal. He was merely questioning whether or not the specific number was possible and then adding a qualification to the attaining of this number. And the statment itself is true, the number attained would not be through the shaman's own doing, but only possible through the efforts of another healer. By this understanding, the original claim of
regular
large chain heal crits by the original poster comes into question.
Not to be mean or anything, of course. Its just not every statement presented by a person is an argument, and not every statement is in need of a complex breakdown.
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Avandare
Believe me they'll have some very good reason for you so-called overpowered healing. Must be a glitch.
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66520
Guys, don't make me report this thread for locking.
It's fine to disagree with each other and have an argument, but don't bump this topic just to personally attack and denigrate somebody who's expressed a different opinion to yourself -
regardless
of whether or not they're wrong.
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Avandare
I sincerely don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me. What I do have a problem with is when somebody makes a statement and someone else shoots it down without properly considering what the person said. If you can prove it, go for it but the maths seemed completely off (9k spellpower ?). If you had 9k spellpower, you'll be popping 25k+ first hit CH crits (btw this is a guess).
It is irrelevant whether somebody had buffs on them. I do not measure healing to play solo, I measure it in raid situations where it means something , same with my dps.
After doing this myself, there is absolutely no way to consistently and predictably get 15k on the first heal of CH.
I don't think anybody is saying you can predict critical heals, merely that you can hit a target on a regular basis in the appropriate gear and in a raid scenario.
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347498
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Avandare
Mate you need to calm down. You don't have to offend people if you differ with them.
How could you possibly expect anyone to take you seriously or even acknowledge your thoughts on the subject when you're going around saying "You're wrong, my numbers are just a guess."
Firstly, if you quote somebody, do it properly ... that's not even remotely close to what I said. Secondly, I'm not going spend hours working out what the
potential
crit is you
may
get from a CH wearing 9k spellpower. I was trying to state how far off the mark the calculation was but you're always welcome to sit and do the math for us. Learn not to take everything literally.
BTW:''Priests now have more powerful versions of chainheal ''(i don't argue that but believe me m8 i've seen shammies do 15k ch on first targets-10k-6k).
This was the original statement that sparked the debate. Nothing mentioned non-crit healing or unbuffed healing. I also, never stated that you will hit 15k CH's unbuffed or non-crit with the current state of play. Stop making assumptions to suite your own needs.
/end of life lessons and me signing out of this thread
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