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Rumor about 3.2 Agility changes....
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Post by
Lightrain
So, I tried to run Emalon last night, and it ended up failing because it's all horribly under geared alts trying to be heroes, but...
There was a DK and a druid tank. The druid tank, did..... 626 dps.....
...
ya....
Me, being a rather good feral tank, told him he needed to work on hit and expertise for his gear, as they are major stats for tanking. I'm on my ret, and he starts in on me about how ferals are different, and I explain I play a 25m ulduar tank/dps feral.
Long story short, he's wearing 3 pieces of polar, 2 pieces of hateful, one piece of 7.5. I added it up, he had 21 expertise rating, and maybe 70 hit rating(his hit gems were a bit spuratic).
So, I tell him he needs hit and expertise, as nicely as I can as a tip from someone who knows.
He goes into this thing stating that come 3.2, feral tanks will be strictly stam tanks. What? He tells me to "go read the WoWforums"..... Ugh.
I'm amazed people actually take that retarded drivel seriously. After I gave him some pointers, and good sources for info, he says "you're still talking?" So, I say "not anymore, GL at failing" and put him on ignore.
--
Seriously? Are people really that upset about this nerf? It's not that big, and it's to keep ferals from having 60% plus avoidance in the next set of gear. Basically, they are reducing it because it's also our DPS stat.
What I'm trying to figure out, is are people really going to try to stack as much stam as possible in 3.2, and try to out HP the other tanks? This seems counter productive, but it's been the case in the past.... Not to mention, DK's have more HP than us, so it's rather hard to beat that....
Post by
GenXCub
It's someone's extreme reaction to the fact that druid tanks are going to lose about 2% of their dodge.
Post by
Heckler
Sounds to me like you encountered a
noob (did I get the spelling right?)
-- While I agree that there is a possibility for debate on the shifting values of Stam and Agi in 3.2, (though as you say, i think the net effect will be minimal) your advice to him was about
Hit
and
Expertise
-- Even if we're supposed to rock 15% dodge and 90k HP in 3.2, if you can't generate any TPS you're still useless =D
I wouldn't let it bother you, I think this is all a conspiracy -- Blizz gave us new forms and when they realized the FotM flood they had created, they stuck a couple pseudo-nerfs in the 3.2 patch notes that would be sure to drive off a lot of the idiots.
Post by
lizon
the wow druid forums are full of lemmings who are crying about their 2% "nerf".
I think of it this way, if they decide to stop tanking that increases the IQ of the general druid tanking population by several fold. ^.^
Post by
Lightrain
the wow druid forums are full of lemmings who are crying about their 2% "nerf".
I think of it this way, if they decide to stop tanking that increases the IQ of the general druid tanking population by several fold. ^.^
Hehe, can't argue with that. I think the majority of them are Resto rerollers trying to be PvP healer "gods" and failed somewhere in the middle of all the bad that people who lack multi tasking abilities are at resto.
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Post by
Heckler
Isn't the nerf being done because Blizzard put excessive stats on their starter gear, and people already have 100% avoidance as it is?
I don't recall having 100% avoidance ever in T4 gear in TBC.
lol what? show me an armory link with 100% avoidance please =) I want to copy your mad leet starter gear. Maybe I don't know what you're talking about, I request that you rewrite your post with more words. (Unless you're pulling a MegaVolt and defining avoidance to mean "chance to avoid banana cream pies" or something).
Post by
Aadramelekh
No viable druid tank is anywhere near 43-44% dodge self buffed and probably not going over 48-50% dodge fully raid buffed for agility. Procs / trinkets are not passive avoidance so I'll leave that out. I remember I had about 47-48% dodge raid buffed when I was decked in Tier 5 and starting to tank Mount Hyjal.
So I don't see the big fuss. Right now we are in Tier 8 and have a bit lower dodge chance than we had in equivalent Tier content in Burning Crusade. This nerf was NOT CALLED FOR. I really believe this. But it's not a big problem either. 2% less dodge, waaaaaaaaaaaaa... bullsh
i
t.
Other than that,
Mr Lightrain
, I have seen quite a lot of these idiots on my realm as well. They are stuffed with PvP gear and gloat about their HP, yet even freshly dinged 80 players with a few lvl 200 epics manage to overaggro.
Two things are omnipresent on this planet: hydrogen and idiots.
Post by
lizon
you forgot epeens ^.^
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368348
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Post by
Aadramelekh
Seriously, I can't believe how you look down on hateful - sure it's not ideal, but it's fine. I'm pretty sure furious gear is near BiS, so dont look down on someone who hasn't geared up his alt yet.
You missed the point entirely. His advice was never meant as some sort of display of contempt for the 'lower geared' feral druid. It was the guy's response that triggered the reaction. And it was correct in every way if you ask me.
Also, nobody said that gladiator gear is
bad
for tanking. The problem is that I have seen many feral druids for instance fully dressed in lvl 213 PvP items and claiming to be imba tanks. Which is DUMB. Reason?
First of all we know absolutely no PvP piece usable by druids has expertise on it. Which is
bad
.
Second, all the PvP pieces which contain hit rating are these:
CLICK
I hope you are not going to tell me those items that offer only stamina, AP and hit rating are recommended for feral tanking. True, the leather pieces have high amounts of stamina and agility, that's true, even more than their PvE counterparts. But no hit, no expertise... That's a
BAD
bear tank that chooses these over PvE pieces with hit/expertise/haste/crit etc.
That is why the guy was worth of contempt: because he said that (1) druids will be
strictly]
stamina tanks and (2) rejected the very good advice about hit and expertise by looking stupid.
Post by
Lightrain
That is why the guy was worth of contempt: because he said that (1) druids will be
strictly]
stamina tanks and (2) rejected the very good advice about hit and expertise by looking stupid.
This, I never said one thing about his actual gear and choices of pieces. On top of that, if I'm playing kitty main spec, I have my hateful helm for tanking, and I always use my furious bracers when tanking. If I want to go full stam, I throw on 2 pieces of polar gear.
There's nothing wrong with suplimenting your gear with some extra stam.
There's everything wrong with not having more than 2 pieces of gear with any hint of hit or expertise, and then having another 3 pieces of gear with no dps/avoidance on them at all.
Sure, Naxx 25 tanks can get away with using a bunch of polar gear with some imba healers behind him. But, if you attempt to do this in heroics, the healer isn't going to like you.
The fact that he claimed agility would be useless in 3.2 and stam is the new stat is what disappoints me. Especially when he insults me after giving him good advice and sources to help him with his missinformation....
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368348
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Post by
Lightrain
I've seen and attempted to heal mana sponges, and in heroics, you take too much damage for one healer.
I know numerous priests that absolutely hate healing tanks wearing pure stam, and have tried to heal some of them myself. It is truely not a smart idea.
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Post by
Aadramelekh
OK let me put it this way:
You say:
Polar Vest
,
Polar Boots
,
Polar Cord
and you get 427 stamina plus 7 sockets.
I say:
Valorous Dreamwalker Raiments
,
Footwraps of Vile Deceit
,
Sharp-Barbed Leather Belt
and I get 253 stamina, 4 sockets, 197 agility (4.7% dodge before DR), 113 expertise rating (3.5%) plus some haste and a hefty amount of critical strike rating (3.6%).
Tell me 174 stamina and 3 sockets are worth as much as 4.7% dodge + 3.5% expertise + 3.6% crit.
>_>
Post by
Heckler
From the point of view of someone who enjoys writing Time-To-Live spreadsheets:
From a given starting point, stacking Stamina does nothing for the value of Stamina. For example, if 1 stamina adds 1 second of TTL then if you add 300 Stamina, 1 Stamina will STILL be worth 1 second of TTL. (the 1st point is worth the same amount as the 301st point.) This is because stacking stamina does not change the incoming damage at all, it just allows you to take it longer.
Agility, on the other hand, increases in value as you stack it (eventually Diminishing Returns will stop this), but the real clincher is that stacking Agility ALSO increases the value of each point of stamina! In the example above, 1 Stam is worth 1 second of TTL, adding 100 Agil will make 1 Stamina worth 1.1 seconds of TTL -- The agility makes the Stamina better! The reason for this is because Agility (and other avoidance/mitigation stats) actually reduce the effective incoming damage, meaning it enhances the effect of each Health Point, so Stamina gets better and better as you gain more avoidance.
This is the reason behind the 'standard' concept of reaching between 40 and 50% dodge and then focusing on Stamina, 40-50% is the point where Diminishing Returns starts causing Agility to slope downwards in effectiveness, meaning you've maximized the potential value of Stamina to the point where each point of Stamina now adds more TTL than Agility will (since its value will further decrease as you stack it, due to DR).
TL;DR: You stack Agility first because it makes the Stamina you have and will stack later better.
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