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Revamping faction politics to align more closely with WoW lore...
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Post by
donnymurph
Let me start off by saying that this is completely hypothetical, would be complicated in-game, and Blizz would never do it. However, if in our hypothetical little world, Blizz did do it, I would personally find both the quest lore and interpersonal aspects of the game to be much more believable and enjoyable.
Here is the way I think Warcraft faction politics should be:
Alliance - humans, dwarves, gnomes.
Horde - orcs, trolls, tauren.
New Faction - belfs, forsaken.
No faction - nelfs, draenei
Alliance are enemy with Horde and New faction, and neutral with No Faction.
Horde are enemy of Alliance and No Faction, neutral with new Faction.
New Faction are enemy of Alliance and No Faction, neutral with Horde
No faction - these guys aren't in a faction together, and are concerned only with their own people, however they do coincidentally share the same diplomatic standings as each other. They are also neutral with each other.
Quests and raids are concerned with:
Alliance - vanquishing the Horde or at least quashing any political and military power they have
Horde - vanquishing the Burning Legion and establishing a safe, prosperous and powerful kingdom in Azeroth
New Faction - vanquishing the Scourge, and then establishing themselves as the political and military power in the Eastern Kingdoms
No Faction - pretty much exactly the same as what the Horde want, except that they also want to wipe out the Horde while they do it. Nelfs also have the added goal of getting rid of the belfs and anything that even vaguely reminds them of arcane magic.
The rationale behind this system.
Alliance and Horde are pretty obvious I think, so I won't bother explaining them.
New Faction - I don't think either of these races really give a crap about the Horde (it even says on the WoW website that the allegiance between the Forsaken and the Horde is nothing more than convenience for Sylvanas), and as such neither of them should be part of it. However, obviously the belfs would feel quite jilted by the Alliance, and the Forsaken aren't too chummy with the wimps from the south either.
No Faction - both of these races, either in the past or present, have had to share land with the orcs, and have felt their hand of destruction on one level or another, so obviously they hate the orcs' guts, but neither of these guys really seem to fit into the Alliance's fickle political twaddle either. They just do their own thing.
How this would work in-game.
As you can see, each faction (or factionless race), now has two enemies to worry about. Nothing about enemy interactions would be any different.
As for the neutralities, players could use these cities the same as they currently do (e.g. a belf in Org), however things that are free for the locals (eg inns, zeppelins) would not be free for the neutral members.
You would not be able to do neutral quests, nor group with members of the neutral factions. However, there would be external quests that you could use to develop rep with a neutral race. You could then enjoy the same rep discounts that currently apply, and perhaps if you were say, revered with Thunder Bluff, you could stay in Tauren inns for free.
As I said, it's too complex and Blizz would clearly never do it, I just think it would be fun and interesting.
P.S. Apologies for wall of text :s
Post by
HiVolt
First, this should probably be in the Lore&RP forum.
Taken care of, my dear man! --ArgentSun
And second, I can see where you're coming from with most of this in relation to the lore perspective. However, there are a few holes to the rationale, if the system were to be re-vamped to include the events that have happened since the Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King.
I would think that the Blood Elves would feel a need ally with the Horde out of a debt. After all, the Horde helped the Blood Elves dispose of Kael'thas, and the Horde, all of the Horde, accepted them into their ranks when the Alliance disregarded them. The same I think would go for the Forsaken and the Horde aiding them during the Battle for the Undercity.
The Night Elves, I can actually see them being within a faction of their own. I was surprised that they were included in the Alliance when I first read about the game features, as I was that the Forsaken were a part of the Horde.
The Draenei however, not so much. While they do their own thing usually, they have a bond to the Holy Light through the Naaru, which is a religion that all of the Alliance, excluding the Night Elves and Gnomes(for now), caters to. That religious tie is in itself enough for a partnership at the very least. Not to mention that the Alliance helped drive Illidan from the Black Temple, banish Kil'jaeden back to the Nether, and remove Kael'thas from Tempest Keep.
About the Night Elves and the Draenei being neutral with each other, that would go back to the sense of debt idea. The Night Elves were the first to aid the Draenei after The Exodar crashed onto Azeroth, so they would at least be friendly I would think.
Post by
donnymurph
Thanks for clearing that up. I don't know a great deal of either present-day Nelf lore, and I obviously missed the boat on a lot of the Draenei lore. That was half the reason I made the post - so someone could help me fill in the gaps XD
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Post by
donnymurph
I guess maybe as you built up rep with the neutral factions you could then group with them.
Maybe say honored to PuG a quest, revered to PuG a dungeon, and exalted to PuG a raid.
And yeah I admit I didn't think about the guild thing, but then I guess that could be worked into the rep system as well.
"Nothing that hasn't been posted at least a dozen times a month."
- No, those posts are usually people twaddling on about having a faction that is neutral with everyone, (probably just because they wanna hang out in enemy cities, or they're scared of world PvP :p). This is clearly nothing like that.
Post by
TheMediator
Wait until Warcraft 4 for this sort of thing.
Post by
donnymurph
I'm not going to be waiting for anything because I don't expect any of it to happen. Blizz needs too keep WoW simple enough to sell to everyone. I like complicated things, but 95% of people don't.
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donnymurph
The BGs would only involve those that are concerned with that particular area of land.
Post by
Adamsm
Wait until Warcraft 4 for this sort of thing.
/sigh 'Hold a moment of Silence for Warcraft 4.... as Wrath of the Lich King killed it.'
New Faction - vanquishing the Scourge, and then establishing themselves as the political and military power in the Eastern KingdomsThat's... kinda of redundant aint it? I mean, were wiping out the Scourge now, so having a new faction designed... wait, nvm, there already here lol; Ebon Blade, Argent Crusade soon to be the Ashen Verdict.
Post by
Skreeran
I'd like to see a proposal for once that doesn't have the Horde and Alliance back at eachother's throats.
Maybe it's just my WoW idealism (which, strangely, I do not possess for real life. I'm a tremendous pessimist outside of WoW lore), but I'd like to see the humans and orcs finally get past their racial hatred.
Post by
donnymurph
Well in the model I described, they aren't. The way I see it is this: Alliance hate the Horde, always have and always will, for stealing their planet. The Horde, since breaking free of the Burning Legion, couldn't give 2 hoots about the Alliance. They just want to be peaceful and prosperous.
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HiVolt
Well in the model I described, they aren't. The way I see it is this: Alliance hate the Horde, always have and always will, for stealing their planet. The Horde, since breaking free of the Burning Legion, couldn't give 2 hoots about the Alliance. They just want to be peaceful and prosperous.
The thing is though, there are alot of Orcs in the Horde who fought in the first and second wars, and fought to get free from internment. Those orcs would
hate
... perhaps I should stress that a bit more,
HATE
the Alliance. And the Orcs are essentially the "ruling race" of the Horde.
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