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Post by
chizhik
I'm also trying to figure out what's going on with Rawr and Victor's Call. It seems to value Victor's Call very low; way below Mirror and some other misc. ilevel 200 trinkets.
I've been messing around with it for a couple of hours now (Rawr ver. 2.3.2) and I'm beginning to suspect that Rawr is calculating a flat 225 AP gain over 20 sec. I refreshed item data from Armory, then added a special effect that procs 225 AP* on MeleeHit with 20sec duration, 120sec cooldown, stacking to 5. With my gear set, I'm getting 128 DPS. Change stacking to 1, still same 128 DPS. Changing trigger to Use also makes no difference.
I did a very quick and dirty calculation and I'd expect something closer to 980 AP per 20 seconds. Using this value with MeleeHit trigger, 20sec duration and number of stacks set to 1 gives 242 DPS, about 34 DPS increase over Mirror of Truth.
Does any of this sound right, or am I completely off base?
*Edit: the proc is 215 AP, not 225 (need some sleep), plus I caught a mistake in my math. All taken into account, it's more like 1021 AP per 20 sec and 41 DPS increase over Mirror. In other news, Google is my friend.
Here
is an old discussion thread from Codeplex.
Post by
sky3union
I don't raid as ret so I'm not an expert on it but IMO Mirror is better for raiding content.
Of course On use effect is better in bloodlust (heroism) situation but in terms of overall dps increase, Mirror > Victor's Call as you tested yourself.
Like I said I don't raid as ret,
but seeing Berserking > static 110 AP in raiding content (link doesn't work ...again...*sigh*)
and Victor's Call being 2min CD for max 1075AP for 15sec? (assuming you get 5 stacks in 5sec, for easy calculation),
while Mirror is 2000AP for 20sec in 2min (again...for easy calculation. Mirror has 15% chance to proc, 45sec internal CD, last 10 sec)
my conclusion favors Mirror.
P.S. I often use maxdps.com because it's easier and faster then Rawr. But I have totally lost faith in maxdps. I don't think the site uses each class' spreadsheet but uses overall spreadsheet. Like, if A trinket is 250 dps increase for rogues, and B trinket is 200 dps increase for paladin, the site seems to show A as a better trinket for paladin also. (pfff...arm pen trinket)
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366392
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chizhik
I don't have access to Rawr right now, but my guess is that Mirror is better if you don't need expertise from Victor's Call. My gear set (the one used for rough calculations above) leaves me well below expertise cap without it, making Mirror a downgrade for me.
I'll check if this is right when I get home.
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