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Post by
Elrael
Just a quick question.
If Grace only needs one point and Desperate Prayer isn't needed, can Disc spec into reflecting shields?
I know the damage sucks, but it adds something, instead nothing really useful. (As far as I see it)
Linky
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Post by
razzem
There are better places to put points. I think Grace needs to be maxed, imo.
Further, Reflective Shield only reflects dmg when PW:S is on you. It won't reflect dmg from your PW:S on a different target/raid member.
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Post by
razzem
I personally plan on pvping with my Disc spec. In fact, the talents are so close that I think I'll probably be able to use my spec for both pve and pvp. I like the thought of RS for pvp, but I think that instead of points there, I'll put them in Silent Resolve.
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Post by
Elrael
Okay okay, I kicked against the wrong leg here. Never saw a reflective shield topic since i joined the wowhead priesties here. ^^
Further, Reflective Shield only reflects dmg when PW:S is on you. It
Thats all the answer I needed ;p
seriously, i see this over and over again. just pick up desparate prayer, even if you don't use it. not really worth to get anything else.
So basically all you guys want to make a talent I probably never(read: never) going to use.
So I could also fill a point in Mana Burn, because I am never going to use Mana Burn? ^^ By that logic even Relfective shield works, because I don't use it.
There are cookie-cutter specs for a reason. Personally, Desperate Prayer has saved me from dying and my group from a wipe.
Why is desperate prayer "not required" anymore?
I guess it's just a
personal
dislike of me, 50% of the times I die I either spam Binding Heal/PoH/CoH. The other 50% are "one shots". Never saw the use for a instant self healing in
my
PvE experience.
P.S. For how much does it heal? I guess around 7k with 2000 spellpower, or does it scale better then other instant spells?
So I'm either speccing Healing Focus 2/2 and Spellwarding 1/5, or Spellwarding 3/5 then.
Maybe could i could steal some points and reach 5/5 Divine Fury, meh. Disc has to many spare points
And to think Holy has points short!
Post by
Aldones
Do I need to say anything else? Do I need to quote the half dozen other posters that said the very same thing? I doubt it, but I will anyways.
Reflective Shield is worthless in raiding. If by talking about PvE, you mean soloing, it can have its uses, but beyond that, it's only a pvp talent. Going back to soloing, chances are, Desperate Prayer will save your arse more than an additional point in Reflective Shield.
Take it if you want to. When it comes down to it, if the boss is downed and no one died,
NO ONE
has a right to complain. If you wipe b/c the boss hit you for 75% of your hp in one go, and you were focusing on healing yourself over someone else when it could have been one instant cast "I'm healed," guess what,
EVERYONE
has a right to complain.
Post by
Elrael
Do I need to say anything else? Do I need to quote the half dozen other posters that said the very same thing? I doubt it, but I will anyways.
Reflective Shield is worthless in raiding. If by talking about PvE, you mean soloing, it can have its uses, but beyond that, it's only a pvp talent. Going back to soloing, chances are, Desperate Prayer will save your arse more than an additional point in Reflective Shield.
I'm not stupid. I understood it after the first post. >_>
Take it if you want to. When it comes down to it, if the boss is downed and no one died,
NO ONE
has a right to complain. If you wipe b/c the boss hit you for 75% of your hp in one go, and you were focusing on healing yourself over someone else when it could have been one instant cast "I'm healed," guess what,
EVERYONE
has a right to complain.
I don't understand. :<
You mean healing yourself with castable spells is worse then instant spells?
Edit: Flash 1.5 seconds, Global Cooldown from Desperate prayer: 1.5 seconds. Ignoring the instant factor you got the same waiting time anyways.
Like I said I never heal myself in a raid/group, unless it's raid healing or binding heal.
I never died because I didn't heal myself, I never died because I was on low hp for ages.
For me Desperate Prayer seems as worthless as Reflective Shields (after I learned it was self only).
Edit: I'm just not a Desperate Player!
Bad pun ftw.
Post by
Aldones
What I ment was that if your doing your job and nothing wrong is happening, no noe has the right to complain. But if you fail in your job due to a minor preference on "worthless" talents despite what the norm is, people have a right to want you to do the "norm."
Desperate Prayer instantly gives you more hp than Binding Heal does, but that isn't to say that Desperate Prayer is always better than Binding Heal as you use that 1.5s GCD only on yourself.
Futhermore, if all you do is PuGs, screw what others want, but if you guild raid, your guild has a right to expect you to do what is best for the guild. (That might mean changing your playstyle a little, if you don't like it and your guild wants you to, find a guild that accepts you not using the spell.)
Post by
Elrael
What I ment was that if your doing your job and nothing wrong is happening, no noe has the right to complain. But if you fail in your job due to a minor preference on "worthless" talents despite what the norm is, people have a right to want you to do the "norm."
Desperate Prayer instantly gives you more hp than Binding Heal does, but that isn't to say that Desperate Prayer is always better than Binding Heal as you use that 1.5s GCD only on yourself.
Futhermore, if all you do is PuGs, screw what others want, but if you guild raid, your guild has a right to expect you to do what is best for the guild. (That might mean changing your playstyle a little, if you don't like it and your guild wants you to, find a guild that accepts you not using the spell.)
I don't really understand what you are aiming at, it's almost like you are saying a normal guilds want you to have Desperate Prayer. My guild is everything except normal, and they wouldn't care how I spec, as long as it looks proper.
I wonder how Desperate Prayer vs 1 point in Spell Warding will end at, but it should be really fight dependent. Also Desperate Prayer only heals for roughly 3k-4k more then a binding heal on myself.
You can say it a
hundred
,
thousand
, million times, but stubborn as I am I will not see the 4k extra hp from Desperate Prayer a reason to take it over Binding Heal when I'm dieing. And I will barely use Desperate Prayer, maybe once every year or so.
But for the sake of looks I take it. 1/5 Spellwarding looks like
#$%^
a misclick. And I hate the green look of not maxed out talents.
If only I could take that one point and put it in my other spec(s).
Post by
Paolo
Hard to understandy why I'm responding here, since you have your mind made up. Anyway...the point is that Desp Prayer is
instant
. Yes, it invokes the GCD, so your
next
heal won't begin any sooner than it would if you had cast Binding Heal. But your heal arrives instantly, not 1.5 seconds later as with BH. No pushback. Can be cast while moving (or being thrown around).
I've seen priests with points in discipline all the way through borrowed time, but who didn't take penance. "Because I'll never use it."
Post by
Elrael
Hard to understandy why I'm responding here, since you have your mind made up. Anyway...the point is that Desp Prayer is
instant
. Yes, it invokes the GCD, so your
next
heal won't begin any sooner than it would if you had cast Binding Heal. But your heal arrives instantly, not 1.5 seconds later as with BH. No pushback. Can be cast while moving (or being thrown around).
I've seen priests with points in discipline all the way through borrowed time, but who didn't take penance. "Because I'll never use it."
Desperate Prayer is a situationeel spel, Penance is a core spell. People that don't spec penance are really really weird.
People, like me, that don't use Deperate Prayer are either weird, or to pro. (You choose)
I think my other reason to dislike Desperate Prayer is that the situation it needs to be usefull never happens for me, 1.5 seconds never been fatal to me, 4k hp never made the difference between living and dieing for me. And I never needed to run and self heal.
And maybe in Ulduar I get different expierences, who knows I might use it eh. But for now, my expierence and my way of playing never had room for a Desperate Prayer.
Remember, my opinion is based on my personal view on my game expierence.
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Post by
Meggie
Vanity is a mortal sin, yet Blizzard gives reflective shield to priests?
Post by
Aldones
I've seen priests with points in discipline all the way through borrowed time, but who didn't take penance. "Because I'll never use it."
Desperate Prayer is a situationeel spel, Penance is a core spell. People that don't spec penance are really really weird.
"Will never use it." Never use Penance, the single spell that makes Discipline better than Holy as single target healing? Please tell me your joking.
And to respond to Elrael, maybe it would would help if I said I also don't care to put 1 point into Desperate Prayer. All I was trying to say is,
IF
you tend to die, then the spell
MAY
be worth the 1 point for you.
...Probably should have just said it that way from the get-go and left it at that.
Edit: I don't put the point in DP for holy specs. I don't find anything better for it in disc.
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Post by
Elrael
Are you people just slow? It's nice that you try to convince after:
A I accepted the talent already
B Said I maybe end up using it in Ulduar, it full of new experiences
C Said that all other options looked ugly (uncompleted talent points suck)
Anyways, you did your job guiding me away from the bad talent into a... other talent... that isn't bad... but...
Ah whatever, you saved me from Reflective Shields and thats enough help. Thanks. \o/ Yay for everyone!
Go build some nice Holy Specs now, those are the hard ones.
Post by
Paolo
Are you people just slow? It's nice that you try to convince after:
A I accepted the talent already
B Said I maybe end up using it in Ulduar, it full of new experiences
C Said that all other options looked ugly (uncompleted talent points suck)
Great! Better that you have the talent, but you do it begrudgingly. The rest of us grab the talent with relish. So we're not "slow," but we aren't yet on the same page. Most of us don't find it the lesser of two evils, but a fantastic spell. See what happens when you start adjusting your style around it. You might understand why we're so passionate about it.
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