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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Gear = 0
Skill = 100
Damage happens.
Gear = 100
Skill = 0
Damage doesn't happen.
Read; By itself, skill will give you damage, whereas gear will not.
Auto attack does no damage now? I think not.
Stop and think about what you're doing.
I find it hilarious that your whole argument is in defense of the statement "Skill, not gear, gives damage."
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150529
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
0 skill = he doesn't even know how to autoattack or simply goes straight to bad @#$% and instadies
Your point? You know what you're arguing is completely irrelevant to the issue, right? In fact it's completely arbitrary -- just like you can define no skill as not auto attacking, I can define no gear and no weapons, including fists.
A 2-variable equation that has it's origin at (0,1) isn't any less dependent on both variables than one that begins on (1,1). To claim the X variable is not a determining factor because it has it's origin at the axis is stupid.
Post by
Orranis
The main flaw with the argument is it's not the tool, it's the hand. Unless you find a cure for stupid, nothing will happen. Personally, as !@#$ as it is, I'm not usually the one getting kicked, so I'll keep my Damage Meter. Though I don't spam it.
Post by
Rexz
ITT:
Using DPS/DMG meter for non-bashing or "flame starting" action = good
Using DPS/DMG meter to bash someone or to Epeen = bad
Using DPS/DMG meter on thrash = bad
It's just that simple. There's a point when you need to kick someone for doing crappy DPS/DMG in a raid, and that's fine. No one like people that does shoddy damage as a dps class when they have the appropriate gear to do more than they should be doing. That's saying, it's very very easy to distinguish people that don't know how to properly DPS/Deal damage, and you will need the meter for that.
If you're a jerk, using anything will causes that thing to look bad. If you're a jerk, you can easily use addon like GearScore and Recount as a weapon to target other players and put them down or start a fight/argument. That's just how it is. Bad thing is, this is the internet, where jerks will appear a lot more than they should because that just how people behave in a competitive environment (AKA an MMORPG game).
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303152
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Post by
TinyPhreak
@Hyperspacerebel:
Don't take things too literal and try reading everything as a whole instead of bits and pieces that you're supposed to get "smart"-points for nit-picketing on. Like up there with the whole "so auto-attacking doesn't do damage hurr hurr". If you had read everything as a complete post, you would've known that I didn't talk about auto-attacking in that case, nor that I'm of the opinion that gear is "not a determining factor".
Did I defend the statement made by Sinespe? Yes, in the way that I think it's obvious that it was an exaggerated statement (ignoring literal precision) to make a point about which of the two variables was most important out of the two to get end result. One can be completely removed while the other can not. Skill boils down to the player ability to interact with the game, gear boils down to what the character is wearing and using as a weapon.
I find it hilarious that your whole argument is in defense of the statement "Skill, not gear, gives damage."
This is good. At least it's something. Making you a
smiling
know-it-all looking for arguments in every single sentence to sound smart will do for now.
Time for bed, 2 am soon and I have to study tomorrow. x_X
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533061
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Don't take things too literal and try reading everything as a whole instead of bits and pieces that you're supposed to get "smart"-points for nit-picketing on.
I believe nothing a person says should be said without some thought behind it. And if something is said that is in fact wrong, I expect them to admit it.
nor that I'm of the opinion that gear is "not a determining factor".
I never said you were.
Are you the one who said "Skill, not gear, gives damage"? No. I'm arguing against that premise. So don't you go pointing fingers at me if you can't make up your mind what position you agree with.
This is good. At least it's something. Making you a
smiling
know-it-all looking for arguments in every single sentence to sound smart will do for now.
Again, quit it with the silly and immature personal attacks.
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177096
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Post by
Magician22773
The biggest issue I have with recount, or DPS fetish in general, is that it adds additional pressure to an already stressfull game. I find myself stressing about what number Im going to have at the end of the fight, rather than just on the fight itself. This in itself, tends to lead to bigger problems. Case in point:
Im running on my Boomkin, and eclispe has just proc'd. But there is a nasty blue flame headed right at me. Now, I know if I stand here for 2 more seconds, Im going to crash a 15k Starfire into Marrowgar's ugly mug, but Im also going to get scorched by the fire. So do I move out of the fire..reducing the load on the healers, and saving me a ding on FailBot (another addon I can't stand), OR do I pad my DPS by standing in the bad stuff and mashing away?
Personally, I choose survivability over DPS anyday. While my gear and skill combined are easily capable or pulling 7k average on a target dummy, I usually tend to find myself pulling only around 4k in most situations. But I also find that when things go bad, I usually am one of the last DPS standing, and even more rarely the first one on the floor. Sadly for me, very few PuG leaders take notice of this stat, and I have been removed from many raids, and ridiculed on several occasions for 4k DPS with a 5200 GearScore.
While I fully agree that GearScore, Recount, FailBot, and similar addons have a place in the game, I also think, as do many others, that they have damaged a signifigant part of the enjoyment of the game for many of us.
Post by
hagelini
If you are in a good guild, I'd say these addons don't really matter, especially if you are in a raiding guild and are all working towards gearing each other out and they know what your potential is.
I think these addons really hurt those players with average gear that know how to play their characters but encounter teenagers stroking their little epeens and don't allow you to be part of some pug raid because you don't meet their standards of what some pointless score that has no bearing on the actual skill of a player.
I was fine with recount in place as all that does is show you how you are doing. When I was initially raiding with my guild, it gave me something to aim for, and once I had better gear and was on the top 3 on dps, it would just make me try to keep that average up to stay on top. I think if anything, recount aids in making people better players. Gear score just ruins the game. All this does is rule out players who have the potential to do well yet may not have all epic gear and make them sit on the sidelines while subpar players who either got lucky and have good gear or bought their account get into raids and end up being useless spots that would be more productive running into the wall in some corner.
I know plenty of you disagree and think that this addon is the greatest thing to come along, but whatever happened to actually working at a raid to get it done? Why do you just have to float through everything to get better gear and not work at anything? Part of the fun of raiding is trying to get the group as a whole to work together and learning how to do things. I guess the best way to avoid all the frustration is to join a guild and then you don't have to worry about it. Sadly, we are now stuck with this pointless addon and its probably only going to be more prominent as time goes on. Whoever invented this addon should be dragged out into the street and shot.
Post by
SongCry
I think recount causes alot of problems, yet solves some at the same time. With recount, you get to see who's doing good DPS and who isn't... if someone isn't doing good DPS they will get harassed for it, called a 'baddie', and eventually be kicked. If there was no recount, you don't see the DPS someone is doing, this means less harassment and pressure on people in the raid. The game wouldn't be based around who can do the best dps, but rather what your gear is and measuring that up to what it should be. I think recount does more harm to the game then help, recount would make WoW a better place, sure it may cause wipes, but who cares... not everything is supposed to be handed on a silver platter.
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166878
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Post by
Monday
Imo recount is good, as long as it is not spammed or followed by remarks like "look at me i'm 1337!"
Honestly, I use it to keep track of how good I'm doing, and I
rarely
show it when dps in H HoR are doing 500 dps in full Ilevel 219 or above gear.
So no recount is good and while skill is useful gear/spec are as important as skill.
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340332
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113229
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Post by
Roxxy
Pollytanks says: Hey, lolpriest, your dps is INSANE! dude,keep it up,lol :P
Lolpriest says: lol
Pollytanks says: Fear Ward me! going phase 3!
Lolpriest: um... lol?
Pollytanks died.
Lolpriest died.
Raid died.
And thats the story how recount and gs = skills.
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