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jimbo5d41
Between a Druid or Shamman, say equally geared, which would be better for a raid as a healer.
I know that both have different things to contribute, but given the choice which one would be more liked.
Post by
cms2k
Shammy! For Heroism.
Truthfully it comes down to personal preference and raid preference. They each have their roles.
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I like resto shaman better...cuz if there ain't a resto shaman in the group, then I'm not in the raid =D
Post by
Jeremypwnz
I'm actually wondering why no one says bandages yet. :D
In all seriousness. A Holy Pally does well too in this though.
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Post by
Mesoforte
Also depends on the amount of raid damage going about. For any raid healer to look like he's doing his job, there needs to be a lot of damage going about that the other healers don't immediately start picking up. Nothing more annoying than people doing your job. :\
Post by
Mesoforte
I'm actually wondering why no one says bandages yet. :D
In all seriousness. A Holy Pally does well too in this though.
Oo, before I forget, you don't even need a holy paladin. At least not to top the meters anyways. A ret friend of mine judged light on H Archavon once, he did 1.9 Hps and had more healing done than all the healers (excepting me. :P I had 2.5k hps).
Post by
airtonix
At least not to top the meters anyways.
you can spot the bad healers when they start talking about healing meters.
the only table of data you need to worry about as a healer is :
deaths
incoming heals on your raid frames.
Threat levels on your raid frames
Deaths
http://priestlyendeavors.wordpress.com/2007/09/28/measuring-healer-performance/
Let me begin with the absolute with which everyone agrees. A GREAT healer is one who never lets a party member die. Which points out a major difficulty of our measures — compared to all other roles, the healer role is massively dependent on the performance of others. Get an extraordinarily geared tank and you can practically sleep. Get a warlock and a mage competing for top of the damage meters without concern for the tank’s aggro and you can see death after death even before the first mob. Thus I think we have our first caveat — our first uncontrollable conditional against which all quantifiable measures must be considered: the group. I’ll probably be returning to that element. But let’s get back to quantifiable elements. Specific in this case: Deaths.
Incoming Heals
Bascially, I'm the main tank healer and there are people in your group dying....so why are you trying to heal the tank?
OR
Why are you healing someone thats already got hots and an incoming heal from someone else that isn't taking aoe damage while neglecting someone else that is?
Threat
Why arent you doing something about the mage in your group that is about to pull aggro from the tank in half a second? no really you need to worry about your own group first.
Post by
Mesoforte
At least not to top the meters anyways.
you can spot the bad healers when they start talking about healing meters.
the only table of data you need to worry about as a healer is :
deaths
incoming heals on your raid frames.
Threat levels on your raid frames
Deaths
Deaths are not always determined by the healer. Incoming heals that make you overheal lowers your hps. And understanding who's about to get hit increases your hps over healers that don't. :\
You can use the meters to determine who is doing their jobs and who isn't, especially when a healer who is supposed to be tank healing is beaten out by a ret paladin judging light. There's something wrong with that that needs to be looked into.
Also, you might want to look into the notion of sarcasm. When someone adds in a sentence to their original that doesn't appear to sync up its usually sarcasm, ie "At least not to top the meters anyways."
Mainly, the meter is relative to the damage that's being dished out, but once you understand that you can judge it in reference to the amount of healing that needed to be done.
Incoming Heals
Bascially, I'm the main tank healer and there are people in your group dying....so why are you trying to heal the tank?
OR
Why are you healing someone thats already got hots and an incoming heal from someone else that isn't taking aoe damage while neglecting someone else that is?
Threat
Why arent you doing something about the mage in your group that is about to pull aggro from the tank in half a second? no really you need to worry about your own group first.
How is this relevant to the original post? Are you trying to read into a situation you have no idea about or just spouting nonsensical information?
Post by
Shamanic
As a resto shaman I'd of course have to go with shamans, but I wouldn't want to stack a raid with just resto shamans just like I wouldn't want to stack it all druids - at the end of the day there is a balance and resto shamans definitely have some advantages over resto druids and vice versa.
Healing well, just like doing anything well, is something that takes time, practice, reflexes and a very good understanding not only of your own class but the potentials and actions of the other healing classes too.
Healing meters are useful, you are not going to see paladins top the healing meters because of their class mechanics. If a pally is doing better than a resto shaman or a druid then the sham/druid are quite simply doing it wrong somehow! I have never had even a very good paladin come close to my HPS and I wouldn't expect them to, numbers aren't everything but do offer some demonstration of level of skill.
My guild doesn't actually have a resto druid main spec in our core 10 or 25 man groups - in 10 man we either go sham/sham/pal, or pri/sham/pal depending on who turns up - our 25 man raids we go sham/sham/pri/pri/pal - not because we have anything against druids just all the druids in the guild atm are balance or feral and with those combinations we can still heal just fine for nax 10/25.
Post by
windstrum
Firstly, healing the raid and healing a tank are two very different jobs. You specifically mention raid healing, so I'm going to assume you mean healing the entire group, and not just focused on keeping one of the tanks alive.
For raid healing, a Shaman will have a far easier job than a Druid. If you have a 20k mana pool and 300mp5 while casting
unbuffed
(except with water shield up), you can spam Chain Heal without worrying about running OOM (pop Mana Tide totem if you ever get low, but this really does take quite some minutes of straight CH spamming).
On the flip-side, a Druid has a much easier time healing tanks. They can far more easily "anticipate" incomming damage, and have heals that cope a lot better with mitigating spike damage, where a Shaman is more reactionary and can get caught out by a few big hits. It takes some pretty sweet Haste rating and Spell power for a Shaman to make a strong tank healer.
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