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PvE Holy: Mana Problems
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Post by
Jethedo
Hello everyone,
First of all, I must say I'm a newb when it comes to Paladin healing. I also have a 80 Priest healer, which I'm more comfortable with.
From what I have read about Paladin healers, is that they are very mana efficient. Mine, however, has a lot of problems with mana. I usually run out of mana within 2 or 3 minutes into the fight. This is no problem in heroics, but becomes a burden in Naxx or Ulduar (although I haven't tested healing in Ulduar yet as a Paladin).
Here's a link to my armory (it's possible that it shows my Retribution gear when you check, sorry about that):
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmane&n=Pride
Holy is my secondary spec, and my gear is a mix between Naxx10 and Naxx25 gear. (So the gear is pretty decent). I have 17929 mana unbuffed, 1867sp and 383mp5 (306 while casting). I know I'm lacking a good helmet and a good trinket.
I've gemmed pretty much all my gear with +spell power gems. People adviced me to change that to +int gems. However, after doing some calculations, I noticed that if I gem everything with +int, I get a massive 2 extra Holy Lights before I'm OOM. Not really worth it, I think.
Can anyone give me a tip, please? :) Thanks in advance.
PS; I'm using Glyph of Seal of Light (improves healing spell by 5%), instead of Glyph of Seal of Wisdom (decreases mana cost of all healing spells by 5%).
Post by
svirve
Gem int. Those 2 extra HLs is most probably a full health bar for most tanks.
Use the g of SoW it's sooooo much better than g of SoL.
Spell power isn't a problem either. You get more than enough from gear and enchants.
With that much Mp5 i guess your gearing some for Mp5.. Dont, crit & int & haste is so much better.
Your holy spec is pretty messed up as well
Go for
51/2/18
instead you get 8% more crit than you have now which is alot of effective mana.
Post by
slasher0161
First lesson of a paladin healer... Forget all you know about healing.
Second lesson of a paladin healer... Int is your friend let NOBODY tell you otherwise
Third lesson of a paladin healer... Wait that blue bar can run out?
ok not really lessons but the best way on the fly i could think of to get my message across. Paladins revolve around huge mana pools and high crit chance for our mana conservation, unlike priest healers we aren't reactive healers either (although if thats your style go for it) we can comfortably spam fol indefinitely and then mix in HL when needed.
.
SP is horrible to gem for, to make this point clear grab a healing meter go obs 10 or 25 whichever you wish, and be as careful about overhealing as you possibly can and i will vouch without you /afking you will run at least 40% overheal. now why would you want my sp when its just adding to that number.
Final point i would really like you to review your "calculations" are you taking into account that fact most boss fights allow a 10 second window at some point where you can hit divine plea (or in the case of KT like 10 windows), as well as replenishment regen as well as int giving crit and 30% of your int = sp... So now ask yourself, "was my math really correct" note int scales with buffs sp doesn't.
Post by
svirve
unlike priest healers we aren't reactive healers either (although if thats your style go for it) we can comfortably spam fol indefinitely and then mix in HL when needed.
Ehm wait now...
You've got that backwards.
Paladins have...
no HoTs
no absorb effects (well SS but it requires the person to be damaged to trigger)
only 1 instant cast on a 6 sec CD (5 sec glyphed)
Priests have:
an arsenal of absorb effects (especially Disc priests)
multiple instant casts
a HoT
Being a reactive healer means you cant really prepare for the damage ahead.
The only thing a paladin can do that "isn't" reactive is escape healing with HL (which any mediocre pala healer will do).
Sure you can spam FoL but that's not viable after heroics. And not in most heroics either for that matter.
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Post by
pezz
The fact that you didn't even mention crit at all while listing your stats, not even 'I realize it might be a bit low' is probably the answer to your mana problems. Regem for int and some crit, and change to the SoW glyph. I also recommend
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sxAzgh0sVu0tgdZVcbx0h
for a spec, although it only differs from what svirve posted on a few minor talents.
Post by
spikeh
Never gem for crit; intellect provides much more with Divine Intellect and Blessing of Kings now that every paladin can buff it.
Napkin maths aside, whilst it's true that the mana returns from Illumination can be considered as mp5, it's not a linear increase. Thus, the more crit chance you have, the more benefit you gain from any additional chance. More reason why a comfortable 20k mana pool from gemming for intellect is much more useful. Crit will come naturally with better gear.
Switch to Glyph of Seal of Wisdom, 5% mana saved to use elsewhere is better than the 5% extra healing you get from Glyph of Seal of Light, which will (most likely) end up as overhealing.
Erase completely the mindset of spamming Flashes, don't be afraid to use all your mana as to not play chance with the tank's health. The most effective way to heal reactively is to stopcast Holy Lights on the tank, much like priests with Greater Heals back during TBC. It's the only way to heal in some circumstances, such as Patchwerk. You may gain better mana efficiency than wasting Flashes.
Make yourself a Divine Plea/cancelaura macro. Know the fight, use it when you know there's something happening resulting in the tank not being hit, or use it on CD whenever you top off the tank for one tick or two.
I began healing heroics with 1.4k SP and 16k mana. Running OOM is not a problem, unless it's during the fight and the tank dies.
Post by
Jethedo
Thanks so much for the tips so far. I will change to Glyph of Seal of Wisdom and remove all my +sp gems and replace them with +int gems. :)
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Post by
MischievousLoki
I think there's a bit of confusion here when people use the phrases "
Reactive Healer
" and "
Reactive Healing
".
Prayer of Mending / Earth Shield / HoTs =
Reactive Healing
. A healing spell triggered by damage, or provides constant, passive healing. Which eases the stress of having to have a fast reaction time on your cast spells.
Reactive Healer
= Paladin. A healer with no reactive healing spells who has to have a fast reaction time or else has to preemptively cast all their healing spells.
In regards to the OP, he needs to change is meta to insightful and LEVEL YOUR JEWELCRAFTING! Figurine - Sapphire Owl + x2 is the best trinket you can get your hands on for a while.
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Post by
slasher0161
Sure you can spam FoL but that's not viable after heroics. And not in most heroics either for that matter.
I beg to differ, it is quite viable for all of naxx10 and a large portion of 25man. I won't comment on ulduar but i am pretty sure its not viable there, here is food for thought tho. If you simply spam FoL while waiting to cast those holy lights topping off raid targets ect (unless there is sweet nothing to heal then just stand there and twiddle your thumbs) then is your time not much better spent seeing as with replenishment up any paladin healer in a raid should have the mana pool to keep up the fol's all day?
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Post by
MischievousLoki
And if the MT or OT dies because you had to land a FoL or two somewhere else, then you're not doing your job and you're not trusting your party members to do theirs.
This is where I fail the most often, but it's because most of the other healers in my guild are terrible :(
Post by
svirve
Sure you can spam FoL but that's not viable after heroics. And not in most heroics either for that matter.
I beg to differ, it is quite viable for all of naxx10 and a large portion of 25man. I won't comment on ulduar but i am pretty sure its not viable there, here is food for thought tho. If you simply spam FoL while waiting to cast those holy lights topping off raid targets ect (unless there is sweet nothing to heal then just stand there and twiddle your thumbs) then is your time not much better spent seeing as with replenishment up any paladin healer in a raid should have the mana pool to keep up the fol's all day?
To my experience or anyone i've heard of FoL spamming diminishes vastly as soon as you hit heroics.
Sure it's very possible to keep a tank up during trash through pretty much all content up to Ulduar with FoL spams. But a few fights that i can think of now were it isnt:
Patchwerk, Sarth 3D, Malygos, Post buff 4Horsemen, KT, Gluth, Thaddius.
All in 10man i've never been able to FoL spam and keep my tanks alive.
Now ofcourse if you're overgeared for the encounter that's another story.
I've /afk'ed during some of these fights just telling our other healer to keep an eye open.
Depends alot on the gear level of you and your tank but i wouldnt recommend anyone FoL spamming when assigned to heal a tank after heroics. And in heroics dont use it for other than throwing the ocassional heal to the ret pally.
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Post by
slasher0161
Sure it's very possible to keep a tank up during trash through pretty much all content up to Ulduar with FoL spams. But a few fights that i can think of now were it isnt:
Patchwerk, Sarth 3D, Malygos, Post buff 4Horsemen, KT, Gluth, Thaddius.
All in 10man i've never been able to FoL spam and keep my tanks alive.
Now ofcourse if you're overgeared for the encounter that's another story.
i can honestly say every boss on that list bar maly and sarth 3D both of which i have never tried, it is possible in 10 man although i guess some would say i overgear the encounters with just shy of 29k mana buffed and around 48-50% crit buffed. Anywho i think we have answered the threads topic so whats say we call it a draw and /thread
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