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Elrael
Calm down, take a deep breath and try to explain your problem a bit more clear. I don't follow you.
Let me see if I get this right.
You don't use mods? Or are you not using the mod called "Healbot" Healbot was a bot back in the days but nowadays isn't a real bot anymore.
You want to defeat your GM/druid in a HoT battle while he is a druid and you are a priest?
Druids main heals are HoTs and they barely got direct spells.
Priest main heals are direct spell and they barely got HoTs.
Which priest a druid can keep a lot HoTs up on a lot people but if a priest does it it's lot less efficent. Priest and Druids are totally different healing strategies. Of course a druid has HoTs on a lot people when raid healing, but a Priest shouldn't try to keep renews up on everyone. It's not how a priest use renews. You use renew of tanks/offtanks mostly. As priest you got other options a heal the raid fast like
CoH
.
Also it is impossible to have 25 HoTs up at one button, unless your GM is a hacker. (which he is not unless you can prove it) Druids do got
one spell
to keep cast five 5-
6
HoTs with one button, but the HoTs last 7 seconds and the spell has a cooldown of 6 Seconds. So a druid with some timing can keep maximum 18 Hots up. And then he needs 50% haste from talents and gear. And then 1 second later 6 HoTs end already.
Also don't go for the best numbers on the meter. It doesn't say a lot. As a healer your aim is heal to prevent people die, if no one dies all healers did a good job.
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Elrael
my gm mosty has 30% healing done on the meter in a 25 man raid, all the other healers, including 1 other druid myself, a pala and a shaman, are always stuck a 15%. and the only times we get heal assignments is for specific encounters where the tanks pick up different targets and have to keep them apart etc.. otherwise it´s random healing the whole way. and if everything is constantly topped off then i just assume to save mana and w8 for a spike. but unfortunaly when it does come it takes the player from 100%hp to dead in 1 sec. and then its my or our faults when it does happen.
It sounds like you are raiding Naxxramas (Am I right?) which isn't that hard to keep people healed all the time. If they really die in a second they mostly stood in something they shouldn't stand in. You cannot blame healers for stupid DPS. There isn't any AoE damage in Naxxramas that kills people really fast and isn't avoidable.
Also 15% isn't bad. In a five healer situation you discribed everyone should be doing 20%. For every player that does 30% two will do 15%. Your druid indeed sounds like either well playing or well geared and kinda tramples over the rest of the healers. Which can be hard but you are not the only one healing lowish. Percentages are a hard way to compare one healer with another. Tank healers will be lowish and there is just a max of 100%.
If you really want to hear of you are doing badly or your druid is godly provide some armory links and maybe some recount numbers like HpS and healing done/overhealing done. Based on percentages I can only make guesses. And al that is, is "It doesn't sound like you are bad but it does sound like a great druid."
no i dont use healbot or anyother healer speciffic addons. the only addons that i benefit from is thankgod, which makes a sound when i get surge of light and another addon that makes a sound when i crit.
i make my own grid by draging the health bars from the raid window according to the groups. which is what i told my gm last night when he asked me what addons i use. and he said i should check out ice hud, grid, etc. i might concider grid if all it does is save me the time of dragging but not if it heals for me. from what i hear some of these heal addons req. only that the player clicks on a target and the addon picks out what heal they need and casts it. with an addon like that you could teach a chimp to heal.
if you can recommend any addons that wouldnt labotmize me but improve my output, it would be much apreciated. so should i just blame it on class disadvantage or lack of heal assigns.? or someone trying to be the heal star and inturn clipping off the rest of the healers?
I use Grid + Clique, a other way of doing that is Healbot.
It depends on your healing style but there are three "main streams" of "doing it right"
1) You click a person to target and press buttons to heal.
2) You mouse hovers over a target and then you press buttons to heal. The buttons you press are all mouseover macro's.
3) You click a person and cast a spell on that person based on the click.
Option 3 only works with mods like clique or healbot. And I guess that is what you mean with:
from what i hear some of these heal addons req. only that the player clicks on a target and the addon picks out what heal they need and casts it. with an addon like that you could teach a chimp to heal.
The old (level 60) version of healbot had a function that automatically chooses the correct spell for you. Blizzard nerfed that ages ago (with all rights).
Currently people bind spells to mouse clicks. So if you left click on someone you cast Greater Heal on that person, when you right click you cast Flash Heal for example. CTRL right click can be Circle of Healing. You still need to select the spell based on the mouse button and modifier (ctrl/alt/shift or none).
The way you heal is a personal preference. I love grid for being small and I like to click people to heal with clique. (But when you click on spells then something is wrong. )
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Patty
Less QQ moar pew pew healz.
Seriously, the GM druid could be better geared than you or just have a bit more skill, however this doesn't mean that other healers don't.
If I am not topping healing meters as Holy, I don't give a crap. We got through the encounter thanks to everyone healing. If you are worried because you aren't topping the meters then that is just a player issue. Healing meters don't mean a thing, unless you are having mana problems and are overhealing a lot.
Try not to boost your e-peen with meters, because it isn't very accurate. Also, Grid + Clique is a powerful healing combo, which speeds up reaction time. Clique isn't a faceroll add-on like old healbot either, because you set the click bindings and then use them. It just saves you typing "1" or clicking the icon on your spellbar.
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OscarDivine
Honestly, to heal without an addon and try to beat someone WITH an addon is like trying to do accounting without a calculator. SURE you could do it but chances are unless you're insanely good at it, the button clicker will be faster than you every time.
I agree with the above post too. The amount of information you can get from using Healbot or Grid is enormous. It isn't just a lazy-man's healing tool. I can tell which group is getting hit for what damage taking which debuffs and change my heal simply by using a different mouse button or combo of keys + Mouse buttons.
For instance, my setup for Healbot:
Left click: Flash Heal
Shift Left Click: CoH in Holy Spec Penance as Disco
Ctrl Left: Abolish Disease (I use for this stuff Decursive anyway)
Right Click: Gheal
Shift Right Click: Renew
Ctrl Right: Target
Mouse4: ProM
Shift M4: PW:Shield
ALT M4: Guardian Spirit
Mouse 5: PoH
I think that's pretty much every healing spell except Lightwell, Binding Heal (which I never use), Desperate prayer, Divine Hymn... and I'm sure I missed one or something.
Everyone's different but you can do SO much more with an addon than just click to heal. You can also heal much better in a running situation because you can move with the keyboard and click with your mouse whatever needs clicking. It's hard to target and heal with a keyboard.
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OscarDivine
*enormous brick wall of text falls from the sky*
I don't use my middle mouse button because it's my wheel click. I think it's clumsy to hit the wheel for a click because I usually end up scrolling forward or backward instead of clicking (or in addition to clicking) and I don't want to make that mistake during a fight. Just my personal preference.
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OscarDivine
edit: as an aside - most resto druids are actually jealous of our glyphed CoH. Instant heal > HoT
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Elrael
It sounds like you are still running Naxx since
no for the second time I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT NAXX MY GUILD DOESNT EVEN GIVE A %^&* ABOUT NAXX . I AM TALKING ABOUT ULDUAR AND ONLY ULDUAR NOTHING BUT ULDUAR....... OK. GOT THAT? l2read....
The point is you describing such a easy healing scenario it's hard to believe you indeed talking about the harsh and deadly Ulduar. How can you do bad in ulduar? The situation in Ulduar are so perfect for priest. People stay relative close together. The large AoE attacks are either constant or very predictable. When it's constant PoM/CoH/PoH dominate healing and when it's predictable you can have 3 stacks of serendipity ready to launch 1.5 second PoH to heal for like 30k before anyone else. Three stacks Serendipity PoH + Coh is like 50-60k Healing in 1.5 seconds. A great amount of burst healing and enough speed to barely have overhealing.
Mostly the holy priest in my guild are the tops. The shamans follow this us priest mostly and sometimes even above us, especially when people clump together or when the melee also takes heavy damage. Druids are slightly below that (we don't got a lot druids) but still decent and strong enough. Then comes the retri paladin (if the melee gets a lot damage) then the holy paladins and the Disc Priest.
Most shamans/druid always complain about holy priest because we are so fast and they end up overhealing and only healing for the half of their strength.
In the the difference between a Holy Priest and a Tree druid in my guild is the spike moments. Priest can heal a lot more in spike then a druid. But druids always got a stable number, like 4-5k HpS, where priest are between 4 and 7k HpS.
There is also a lot of fight factor, but most fights in Ulduar are perfect for Holy Priest aoe healing.
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