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PUG, harder to find good tank or good healer?
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Post by
Eleazer
I am a frost/frost tank and dps. In the bc, I have raided in BC as both a healer/tank/dps. I will say this dps is a breeze. I now typically tank on a regular basis, and I will say this give me a decent healer and great dps and it makes the run a breeze. But give me a good healer and I don't care how bad the dps is (okay we can take him down).
Urcure is right finding a good tank is a lot tougher than finding a good healer, but finding a smart capable DPS guy who isn't single minded is even tougher. However there are fewer healers than there are anything else out there, mainly because a raid healer usually doesn't want to heal outside of the raid.
Tanking is manly, and gives you a feeling of I am the man if you do your job right. Dps is just plain fun, and Healing is stressful. Personally I prefer to tank. I like controlling the flow of the instance, and I like to protect my healers. As a tank generally if something bad happens I will try to take the blame even if it is the healers fault. It's tougher to heal than it is to do anything else. In terms of difficulty to do, it is
1. Healing
2. Tanking effectively
a. Tanking as a warrior against multiple targets is the single hardest tanking job, especially since people seem to believe that Thunderclap is consecration.
b. Tanking as a druid or dk is perhaps next on the list as they require slightly more skill
c. Tanking as a Paladin. Is it really hard to keep Holy shield up and consecration down?
3. Smart Dps
4. Standing in one place calling yourself a tank
5. Dps who pulls off tank and runs away and screams you can't tank.
Side Note: I love it when ever someone says healing is easy and you just mash buttons. I usually like to say than why don't you heal if its so easy. Typically they are dps guys who have A) never healed or B) Have a low level healer and can't heal their way out of a paper bag.
Post by
xcrunr1647
There is a lot here I would like to quote and respond to, but it would be a wall of text that noone would want to read.
Suffice to say this: Personally, having tanked (druid, dk) and dpsed (hunter, druid, dk) extensively, I have to say that
intelligent
dps
is the hardest thing to find. I say that because there is a difference between "i r huntard, i dps" and "I'm a hunter, my pet can probably OT if we need it, but I have to tell you guys I've never been here before."
Just because someone is a rogue/hunter/mage/warlock absolutely
does not
mean that they are dps. It means that they
have the potential
to be good dps. True dps knows the limits of how much damage to pump out without worrying about pulling aggro. There is a very fine line between doing crap damage (low dmg done/dps) and doing crap damage (so much dps/dmg that you pull aggro and the whole thing is counterproductive).
Which kind of brings me to my next point...
I hate to be a hater, but DKS and Hunters are the ones I seem to have the most trouble with.
^^^This is something I deal with every day. And it sucks. You can see my characters in my sig, and both classes kbhan mentions are there. DK's and Hunter's have
fantastic
damage potential. I was able to keep up with a balance druid that was 5 levels over me in Nexus 2 days ago--now, maybe he sucked, but my point remains the same--I never pulled aggro, I saved the healer (with my pet) when the tank lost aggro once, and consistently trapped mobs to keep them out of everyone's hair.
The problem is that so many people choose to play these classes (the 10-yr-olds want pets, and everyone has a dk =/) that out of the sheer number of players that choose hunters or dk's, I would say that less than 10% would qualify for the "intelligent dps" I mentioned above.
Every group I've been in recently has asked for me to come back with them to dps, because they know that I am competent and intelligent. I only wish there weren't so many huntards and death tards to search through.
Essentially...finding dps that knows what they're doing is difficult, but when it happens, it is a thing of beauty.
Post by
Katsudon
Harder to find good tanks.
The thing about healers is, unless your also a healer (healing along side them) its often times hard to tell if their bad or good (outside of obvious cases where your wiping cause the healer isn't casting) It becomes pretty obvious when a tank is bad, and its semi-obvious when dps are bad since everyone and their mom runs recount. There could be a huge healing discrepancy between healer A and healer B, But no one really cares about HPS and amount of healing done except...... other healers.
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223885
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Post by
PureGold
Someone already said it up there and I'm too lazy to quote.
All of the good Tanks/dps/healers are already taken by raid guilds, few exceptions are the ones that haven't yet caught the eye of those said guilds.
Moral of the story is, if you think you are good and pugs are bad apply to a good raid guild.
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83344
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Post by
Mesoforte
c. Tanking as a Paladin. Is it really hard to keep Holy shield up and consecration down?
Consecration is suck a mana drain though. -_- If I can get away without using it, I usually just use the hammer. :P
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