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Post by
Magnerz
23K is enough, you can OT Naxx 10, probably VoA (the first boss-Arch), OS as an OT but you may want to give your healers a litle more breathing room when it comes to MT'ing raids or stepping up to 25 mans. Technically if you are def capped and can take all incoming blows, then you are capable to tank, but whether your healers can keep you up is another matter :)
Started tanking heroics at 20K Hp, drinking pots to reach the def cap myself, but i was blessed with an awesome healer friend.
Imo stay away from the harder heroics and MT'ing raids till your at 25/26K+ ? may want some more input on taht, but worked for me :)
Post by
slasher0161
Basicly what Magnerz said except that stam isn't the be all end all stat, personally i'm an avoidance tank i have stacked avoidance at the cost of health and a fair chunk of health too at that. However the way i saw it 4.x% dodge was worth more then the health at that point however i'm going to change my tank set around again to find a new balance (at the time was a difference of about 1.6k health its now more like 4k (ub) which works out to be alot in the end).
Get into the easier heroics (after defence
MIN
) then as you gear you will see what i mean you need a balance. Saw a pure stam set the other day lad had 36.6k unbuffed (warrior). 0.o
Post by
ShellyBelly
Heroics pretty much seem to be based on your health to most people, so you should be fine if you bring enough diversity in buffs to get your health up when you go in and have a good healer. Keep in mind, though, that stamina is not the end-all totally only necessary stat that makes you leet, although many people who play this game think that a tank with 30k health unbuffed and 20% dodge is better than a 28k health tank with 30% dodge. Poor example, but just remember you need avoidance too.
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333147
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Post by
Boeck
While I agree with stm not being the most important I would say 30% dodge is much too much...
Remember as a pally tank we only need 102.4 combined avoidance (with HS up) after that, its useless...
Was unsure about whether you just meant for the OP's current gear level or not on the first part, but it is not uncommon to have around that later, while still having a large health pool.
On the 2nd part. Dodge is never useless because of 102.4. Once you hit the block cap, the first defensive stat knocked off is block, making extra block the useless stat.
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65116
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Post by
zoomie
You can never have too much dodge or parry, % wise. If there was a way to have 40% dodge and 40% parry then you would dodge and parry 80% of the time. Block is the completely useless stat when you hit 102.4%
Post by
zoomie
At the beginning of TBC, I cleared naxx10 with just over 22k hp.
That must have taken some skill. At the beginning of TBC most guilds were only in karazhan getting T4.
Post by
fenom
Also don't forget if you have gear you will replace soon and don't want to enchant, grab some cheap LW patches esp for your head/shoulders
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312504
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Post by
svirve
While I agree with stm not being the most important I would say 30% dodge is much too much...
Remember as a pally tank we only need 102.4 combined avoidance (with HS up) after that, its useless...
I personally stack stm for the most part. I am at 29,394 health unbuffed and at 102.5 avoidance, this means everything else (excluding gear upgrades etc) will be stm... And stm only...
Please go back to bed and when you're perhaps a few years older you can learn what a tank is.
If you have 102.4% avoidance you're impossible to hit with all melee attacks (HS has nothing at all to do with this since block is rendered useless very very long ago).
After reaching unhittable (block cap) BLOCK is worth nothing but dodge still remains the undisputed ruler of them all.
At the beginning of TBC, I cleared naxx10 with just over 22k hp.
That must have taken some skill. At the beginning of TBC most guilds were only in karazhan getting T4.
I also cleared naxx at the beginning of TBC. Even though it wasn't naxx 10 it was naxx 40 but i like it how you would need T4 for naxx though.......
OP: If you can reach def min without sacrificing any HP you'll be good for pretty much most heroics. Just start with the easier ones and gear up as you're doing them.
Post by
sasexw
You can never have too much dodge or parry, % wise. If there was a way to have 40% dodge and 40% parry then you would dodge and parry 80% of the time. Block is the completely useless stat when you hit 102.4%
Wrong !
If you have 40% dodnge and 40% parry this doesn't mean you have 80% chance to dodge or parry ,these are 2 separete numbers , 2 40% you cant combine them to 80% , its big diffrence and misinformation
Post by
slasher0161
You can never have too much dodge or parry, % wise. If there was a way to have 40% dodge and 40% parry then you would dodge and parry 80% of the time. Block is the completely useless stat when you hit 102.4%
Wrong !
If you have 40% dodnge and 40% parry this doesn't mean you have 80% chance to dodge or parry ,these are 2 separete numbers , 2 40% you cant combine them to 80% , its big diffrence and misinformation
Are you suggesting a multi dice system for avoidance? i don't think so some how.
Post by
sasexw
I am just saying that these are 2 difrrent things .
Example:
We have 100% fruits(10 on number)
40% of them are apples
40% of them are oranges
Apples and oranges are 80% of total fruis but not 80% of apples or oranges
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65116
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Post by
sasexw
You will dodge/parry
close
to 80% , not 80% thats what i wanna say, if you don't belive me go try it what more can i say..
Post by
Boeck
Dobbel is right. I think you may have misunderstood the person you were replying to sasexw. If you have 40% dodge, and 40% parry, you have 80% avoidance (ignoring miss). So 80% of the time you will avoid an attack by way or parry or dodge. Zoomie was not saying that if you have 40% + 40% you could dodge 80% of the time. It's just that both are avoidance stats, and the end result is the same (except, of course, parry haste).
Post by
sasexw
Hmm , probably you are right , i must learn to read
But this avoidance you say now , when you have 40% dodge and 40% parry its not actually 80%.. its something slighty less than 80%,it might sounds strange but thats the way percetages work
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