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OS+3D holy healz requirements
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Post by
Elrael
I hope you mean 25 man, cause 10 man is hard.
With 2200 spell power, 1000 spi, 1100 int, 25% crit, 5% haste and around 300mp5 while casting, I had some troubles. Still haven't got the achievement because no one on the guild wants to go again. The people that did do it never go os 10 man again. And to many of the good dps don't care about it either.
On the only good try I had like 5k mana left when the third drake died. (Together with the 4 dps that couldn't dodge fire walls anymore.) Also no replenishment, so that was extra hard.
For my first 25 man I had a bit more gear then you do. But you could do it depending on the group. I was deep in the Naxx epics already and the only problems I had with Os 3d 25 man was tunnel vision...
Post by
karlusdavius
Your values are still a little bit too low. Spellpower needs to hit 2k UB without innerfire. To do this, you need to drastically raise your spirit levels. they need to hit 1k unbuffed in order ot gain the regen needed for OS 3D. Your haste is fine but i would try and increase your crit levels, they seem shockingly low (unless you havent looked at your holy tab, which would mean your at 17% crit, which is still low)
Its hard to say without an armory link tbh as you may have trinkets which change things. As it stabds, don't go.
Post by
Elrael
Its hard to say without an armory link tbh as you may have trinkets which change things.
Here's my armory
link
Elrael: Matching quotes since 2009
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239466
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Post by
Elrael
First off, yes i do mean the 25man version of the raid.
and generally i find some slots hard to replace, (head and shoes)
but i am currently gathering emblems of heroism for:
Slippers of the Holy Light
my Sprit is truly low, compared to other holy priests.
Edit: of course you still need to count in raid buffs, which of course will raise my stats alot.
I can understand head, there are no epic pre raid (and not pvp) heads. So your upgrade is hiding in Naxx! And
these
two
list
show that. (The lootrank is mine made, and is only valid if you got mana problems, like in os3d)
If you can get into Os 10 man, there is an
almost 180 spirit trinket
there, waiting for a priest like you!
Post by
Zhivago
We all know how raid buffs will raise stats. We assume you will have these, but are talking about what you asked: are you ready for Sarth 3D? The answer, which I am guessing is not what you wanted to hear, is not really. You are close, but just not there yet. Your spirit is whoefully low and your SP needs a bit of a boost. Also, that blue helm needs an upgrade (I realize you don't have your T7 or T7.5 helm in the bank), and I would be running Naxx on 10 and 25 to get one. I also don't understand why you have no Tier eq at all. Not every piece is BiS, but the 4 piece bonus is pretty darn good.
TL;DR - You need more spirit and raw healing and get a new headpiece with a metasocket.
Post by
Elrael
but the 4 piece bonus is pretty darn good. .
Err... I needed to wowhead the 4 piece bonus to remember it. =p 5% less mana on greater heal.
It isn't bad, I just forgot because as Holy Priest I'm mainly raid healing. But the few times I tank heal it could help, but the 4piece isn't a reason to keep the set together when you get the item level 226 loot. (or 213 for 10 man). It's barely good enough to aim for as priest.
I also disliked the healing priest head, I didn't need haste back, I needed crit! So I took the shadow one. ^^ Don't do that, people keep staring at me. And in 3.1 haste gets worth a lot more (or crit a lot less, hmmm)
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239466
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Post by
Elrael
Thanks alot zhivago, and the rest of you!
And i wasn't expecting to hear that i should gogo telle my guild that i was ready. but i will take all this infomation into consideration and try to get the things you name (getting mor spirit, sp, etc.) done.
I have enough emblems of heroism to buy both gloves and chest, but one on one compared to the slots i have, i dont think they are worth it. i will however link the ones i have atm and the ones i am able to buy
Gloves of Token Respect
vs.
Heroes' Gloves of Faith
And
Robes of Hoarse Breaths
vs.
Heroes' Robe of Faith
All that for my Prayer of Mending to jump one more time?
Gloves of Token Respect
are the best (haste) gloves. And I saw more people then just me saying that. On my list it's a rough 30 points different with Tier 7 gloves.
Robes of Hoarse Breaths
is awful
compared
to tier 7.
13 Int
9 MP5
42 Haste
19 Spell Power
68 Spi
2 Sockets
The amount of spirit is a more then 9mp5 and 19 spellpower. The 2 sockets make up for the haste/int with a large leap.
And on my list(it's always my list, selfish being that I am) it's a difference of 110 points compared to t7 chest.
So the answer is, taking the t7 is better,
if
you use all 6 jumps (Malygos, Saph and maybe a few others) But PoM doesn't jump that quick in os3d, although it will reach 6 jumps in time.
If you don't use all jumps t7 chest and Gloves of Token Respect are the picks
This is the list
I use for Holy Priest with mana problems,
this one
I use for Holy Priest without mana problems.
If you really want to know the stuff behind the lists, the explanation is
here
on my blog.
Post by
Paolo
I will leave the gear question for others to answer. My opinions are terribly tainted by the fact that I'm disc. But I think you might consider looking in a different direction.
If I were evaluating you for an OS3d run I wouldn't give you a second look, and it's not because of the raw numbers being discussed above:
No helm glyph
No shoulder inscription
Wrong enchant on your chest (this is debatable, but you'd be on the defensive)
Weak spellthread on your phenomenal pants
No second profession (almost any prof will give you a useful leg up)
Don't take this the wrong way. I'm sure you're a very good player. But if you're serious about taking on the hardest fight in the game, your resume (i.e., armory) should scream it. If everything else were top notch, your lack of an epic helm would not be a big deal, nor would your choice of robe or gloves. They're all plenty good enough. But the overall package you've created with them is not one of an ambitious player, and it takes some serious ambition to take on 3d.
I'm sure you have good reasons for all of the above, probably including a lack of funds. But if you take in the whole picture, with whatever good reasons you have, it still doesn't look 3d-quality.
All that for my Prayer of Mending to jump one more time?
For 3d, it's not terribly important to have the set bonus. For my main healing set I no longer have the T7 set bonus, since I upgraded with two pieces of 226 gear. But I do put on two pieces of T7.5 for two fights: Sapph and Malygos. For those fights, the extra bounce is without a doubt worth losing the stats off the higher level gear. Other than that, the set bonus is not a big deal.
Post by
Elrael
Wrong enchant on your chest (this is debatable, but you'd be on the defensive)
Debatable? As in there are people that rather take 8mp5 then 10 spirit and 10 int?
Atm spi + 1 int > 1 mp5
So 10 spi + 10 int > 10mp5
No debate needed for that.
Personally I value 1 int + 1 spi as 1.5 mp5, making +10 stats 15 mp5 worth, almost twice the amount of greater restoration.
Post by
Paolo
If I had a holy priest coming to my 3d raid with the 8mp5 enchant, I'd say something. But I wouldn't boot them. However, I would boot someone with no helm or shoulder enchants, no debate, which was my point to the OP.
And I'm not sure why you picked this minor point to respond to...seems like you missed the forest for the trees!
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239466
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Post by
Elrael
If I had a holy priest coming to my 3d raid with the 8mp5 enchant, I'd say something. But I wouldn't boot them. However, I would boot someone with no helm or shoulder enchants, no debate, which was my point to the OP.
And I'm not sure why you picked this minor point to respond to...seems like you missed the forest for the trees!
That almost sounds if that you are saying there are much larger mistakes in your post. =p I could point out a few minors. ;)
Nothing is wrong, I'm just curious why you mention a debate. It's like saying 50 spell power is debatable better then 63 spell power on weapon. 8 Mp5 is a lot cheaper then 10 stats, like 50 is cheaper then 63. Not everyone can effort the abyss crystals.
Heroes' Gloves of Faith
are the best (haste) gloves. And I saw more people then just me saying that. On my list it's a rough 30 points different with Tier 7 gloves.
Did you link the wrong item? or am i misunderstanding this?
Yeah wrong item, it's fixed now. ;P
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239466
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Post by
Elrael
TBH i would even be worried to do a 5man heroic with you as healer ;) But only because i'm spoiled from playing in a raiding guild myself and never see anyone below t7 standard unless it's a freshly dinged 80 alt.
Just keep going Malygos/Naxx10-25 until you got proper gear, sartharion 3D is definitely the most demanding fight in the game pre-ulduar.
P.S. and it's not like any enchants or talents could make up for the lack of epics.
Well, thats rubbish to be honest. of course i can heal heroics?
anyways, yes. i am aware of os3d being the most demanding fight.
But if you take in the whole picture, with whatever good reasons you have, it still doesn't look 3d-quality.
The point here is, people look at gear and see: No enchant, blue items, etc etc and turn away. They ignore the player behind it. In a guild you got this problem less but still appearance is a part of raiding. If your gear looks great people like you faster, it gives the feeling you work hard for your gear
For a example my shaman alt recently specced resto and had decent gear(1500 spellpower). But my tank friend said: I wouldn't go a heroic with you, you look like a slacker! So I bought some enchanting mats and did some cheap mats and got a few blue gems, boosting my spell power by ~100 and suddenly everyone saw me as a good heroic healer. (I already posted this, but it fits here too.)
And of course you can heal heroics. My shaman could too. And probably you will do decent in sarth3d, but you don't look like it. There is always better gear, that how wow works. But gems/enchant have a limit. And if you take the time to get the best enchant/gems then people respect you more.
Post by
Ethix
The thing with sarth + 3D is, can you bring 5 healers to get that extra dps, or do you have to bring 6 or 7 healers and sacrifice dps? If you get tenebron to 30% and the second drake lands, then vesperon is at 70% when shadron lands-- there's no way you can win.
For raid healing, sarth + 3D is very mana intensive. Your crit seems pretty low, and your mana regen isn't high enough. Unless you get an innervate (or 2), you won't be able to raid heal the entire fight through. Also, you could be tank healing, along with some raid healing.
Also, any freshly dinged healer (with some heroic and crafted gear ofc) can jump into 25 naxx healing. A friend and myself did a pug to get him some gear, and his 1600sp resto shaman was top heals. He's a pro resto shaman who knows how to play. However, with sarth 3D, you need the gear to put out numbers, crits on coh for surge of light, and high amounts of mana regen.
edit: Oh, since you're herbalism, and you don't have a second prof-- I would highly suggest inscription. It's really easy to level (cost me 1300g to level it and sold glyphs for about 500 that I made leveling), and is the most beneficial prof stat wise. 61sp and 15 crit to shoulders is pretty awesome.
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