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Post by
izuul
Ok, so then why is MoT considered better than FotFF, if not for increased uptime due to higher crit rates?
or is it more of a ~200 AP (with uptime) & 84 Crit > 320 AP?
I'm still a bit lost in how to figure the uptime on MoT, but I see in game that procs on MoT still seem rare, with me at roughly 40% crit raid buffed. if anything it maybe seems more like a 5% uptime. I rarely see it proc more than once in a boss fight.
I'm currently using MoT and FotFF and I get my Greatness card but I'm still unsure which to keep.
basically, I'd like to understand why MoT > FotFF if not for more procs from higher crit.
Well the 84 crit is a really nice boost and a significant portion of it's value.
According to my spreadheet, MoT has a total value of 167 DPS.
I did a few
very rough
tests inside the spreadsheet and at my current gear level, crit seems to be worth right about 1 DPS per point for me while AP is worth about 0.52-.053 DPS per point (I'll split the difference). That would make the crit component worth roughly 84 dps and the AP the remaining 83 DPS.
Under the calculations tab, it shows the MoT proc providing 159 AP which works out pretty well with those rough numbers i got earlier.
So... attempting to putting an AP value on the crit, i get a figure of ~160 which can be added to the 159AP from the proc for a net gain of 319 AP.
For comparison, the FotFF shows a 304 AP gain from the proc over the course of the 5 min sim.
However......
I just scoured several weeks worth of WWS logs from my 25-man Ulduars and I'm getting a pretty consistent value of about 13-14% uptime on the MoT proc, Reflection of Torment. That works out to a static 130-140 AP boost. Compare that to spreadsheet which shows my AP from the trinket as 158.9 which is ~15.9% uptime.
Since the spreadsheet only shows theoretical values based on perfect conditions, it's obvious that you aren't going to see as high of uptimes on either of these trinkets in real raid conditions, but i think the FotFF will suffer less than the MoT due to the nature of the proc.
So it's my opinion (or hunch or whatever you will) that the FotFF is probably just as good as the MoT despite my spreadsheet showing it ~7 DPS higher.
*Note: This clearly isn't any serious theorycrafting. I'm just attempting to put some rough values on these for the sake of comparison.
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Post by
izuul
Yeah, MoT definitely scales better. FotFF doesn't really have any scaling properties other than maybe faster stacking from higher haste rating. But it would be pretty insignificant and haste is such a crap stat...
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