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My ideas for improving PvP (not arena)
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Nivrax
-Increase honor for WPvP kills, You could do this like the BG holiday. STV weekend anyone?
You do not need honor on lower levels, it means nothing on 80. And for what you need honor anyway? Pvp rewards require so much marks that you will have more than enough honor for them already (if not, Wintergrasp Commendations).
-Give honor for killing enemy flightmasters, auctioneers, etc.
Oh yes, killing NPC is soooo bad and they are so hard. And the point of killing them is? You want to encourage griefing?.
-Make it so no honor will be gained while enemy has flag in WSG.
WSG is already bad battleground, if at the end you woudn't even get honor for this ^&*!, no one would play.
-Increase rep and honor gains in WSG and AB
This sounds good idea but... it kills value of the tabards, if it's easily achievable, what's the point?
-Make all PvP maps smaller (10% or something like that)
Of course, just let me use my Gnomish World Shrinker, you certainly won't need to completly remodel all maps for this.
-Add rep to EotS, SoTA, and the tbd
What is tbd? Also, what is the point in it?
-Way too much CC in PvP (not enough in PvE)
LETZ JUST PREZ 123 TO W1N THIZ PVP LOLOLOLO!
-change For Great Honor quest to just be 5 tokens of any make
Not possible in the way wow works, or else it would either take 5 first/random or had a tree of choices. Anyway, the point of 5 mark system is to make people play on all bgs.
-Alternate which team goes first, or which side you start on
This is just the only one GREAT idea in this mud, fact that Horde need to always defend first in Strand is just bull@#$%, from the effort you need for win to achievments.
-Make a new freakin map already
One is coming soon.
-Add in old AV, just for kicks, ZERO HONOR SAME REALM ONLY
After first two week it would be totally empty.
Answering to this might mean that I have too much free time.
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Nivrax
-Increase honor for WPvP kills, You could do this like the BG holiday. STV weekend anyone?
You do not need honor on lower levels, it means nothing on 80. And for what you need honor anyway? Pvp rewards require so much marks that you will have more than enough honor for them already (if not, Wintergrasp Commendations).
Not really, link me to one PvP reward with level requirement 80 that needs marks from a battleground. That's right, there's none. Wintergrasp MoH are the only ones you need, and WG isn't even a BG.
You didn't catched me there. The honor gained on lower levels is nothing compared what you need on 80. So world pvp wouldn't let you work on your gear on 80. Then again, what is the point of honor gained in low levels? Answer is: low-lvl pvp items which do require sick amount of marks. And bacause of that marks, any honor gain on noob level is useless anyway.
-Give honor for killing enemy flightmasters, auctioneers, etc.
Oh yes, killing NPC is soooo bad and they are so hard. And the point of killing them is? You want to encourage griefing?.
It is fun. I did this in vanilla. A lot. Vanilla was god of outdoor PvP though, not uncommon to see 80 lvl 60's in searing gorge.
Feel free to do this as you wish, but encuraging people to do it it's stupid, being not able to take a Flight path because some stupid DK is killing him AND he is getting honor for this? Wtf? NPC clearing in BB done by both factions are more that enough.
-Increase rep and honor gains in WSG and AB
This sounds good idea but... it kills value of the tabards, if it's easily achievable, what's the point?
Well, dunno, but the few thousand BGs to get it to exalted seems a bit extensive. Maybe reduce it to "only" 1000 or sth.
For me, it should be left as it is, so when I see someone with Tabard, I can really /salute him (something on par with AQ mount). Getting this shifted to Feat of Strenght would be a good idea tho.
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Nivrax
I want to encourage world pvp. Fighting alongside your allied characters, against a common enemy. Too often, it feels like I am fighting a war in trade chat and not against an enemy.
Ganking is not pvp, it's using fact that enemy is weakened, causing him to fight on 2 fronts. If you call that honor, you seriously should rethink your values, or just go to arenas. Also, you did not answered, what's the point of extra honor? You can't use it at all.
I want to encourage players to defend their home cities, and also to attack the enemies. Make it capital cities only.
For raiding cities - you have Achievments. That makes people raid every enemy city at least once per character. Adding some silly honor that is nearly useless (I fully geared in pvp epics in under 2 weeks, without having extra marks to change) won't make people raid cities anymore. And anyway, laying siege is pretty much not possible, to kill the leader you have to make a raid that will attack by suprise, after 20 minutes they will be smashed by others casting mass aoe and such.
Well the funny thing is, I love to play WSG on horde and hate AV. On ally its the opposite. In my experience, Horde tends to work together a little more than ally. This makes it so people who just like to fight in the middle, instead of helping out the team are not gaining anything from it. Like i said below, I would increase honor from AB and WSG, I feel that they are not in line with the others.
If you increase honor in WSG, why stop it when enemy have flag? You either steamroll it, are steamrolled, or, most time, fight long time, often with both teams having flags, you would cut any honor from these situations? Personally I would add a timer after which side with most points (or first to get point advantage) would win, something around 30 minutes. AB is completly fine tho.
Well sarcasm aside, I dont see how hard it would be to scale the bgs down. Making them smaller puts the same amount of players in a smaller space, thus putting them closer together and voila, more pvp .
Battlground doesn't have sliders that can change size of map. Shrinking map would require to totally remodel it, quite a lot of work for little effect. What is strange in your statement is the fact that you from one side don't want mindless fights in the middle (WSG idea), on the other, encourage to do this by reducing area to run around.
I see you have never played a paladin. Anyway, no. I have no issue with any of the CC, but you have to admit that being repented,stunned, feared, trapped and deathgripped while unable to do anything except trinket (once) isn't FUN.
I could guess you are a Retadin, facerolling others with 1-2-3 but still not OP for yourself. I bet you never mained Warlock. For me, if you drop HoJ I can promise I won't use Fear either, why would I if I could just run and dot you to the death through your bubble and LoH? Heck, I should kill any class if there wouldn't be cc at all. And you seriously should play arena, since it's dominated by stupid Cleave anyway (ME SMASH, YOU DIE!).
Well you see, vanilla wow had this. So it can be done. Why do I have to do EoTS if I like WSG? Or the other way around. Let me grind up my rep if I want somehting cool with the EoTS faction (suggestion above) and if not, let me play how I want. Seems fair, I cant see the argument here.
The arguments are people were not playing some battlegrounds at all. For you the fact someone is not playing AV may be ok, but for someone for whom AV is best bg around it's not fair (just like the Blingley said, before they re-added AV marks, it was pretty much deserted). Right now you still can play what you want, but you have more bonuses by populating various bgs instead of sticking to one.
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Wanderingfox
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Almost every change you've proposed will result in MORE farming, not less.
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Almost every change you've proposed will result in MORE farming, not less.
Farming for PvP gear is currently far too easy and meaningless. I have 2 full sets on my druid (heals/feral) and a full set on my mage. I dont spend endless nights in bgs at all.
The only thing I said about making something "easier" was to increase honor and rep from two battlegrounds AB and WSG. I am still chipping away at my Justicar title on my druid, but I will never have the patience to do the thousands of games on my mage necessary. I don't want it handed to me, but if you judge by the speed of AV rep (which is way too fast), they are out of line.
As for adding more honor to world pvp, I joined a pvp server to have world pvp. Call it ganking, whatever. I love it when you go to STV with your friends and you find another group of 80s doing the same thing. It is one of the few places in the world where lowbies and max level characters really interact. I guess most just want to race through and get to max. Personally, I am a little disappointed if I spend a night leveling a toon and don't encounter PvP, even if it is a max level ganking you. I know that many players have never experienced the old style world pvp, and they wont without some sort of reward.
Griefing capital city flightmasters? Why dont you defend them? It is a war after all.
Thoughts?
That's my point exactly though... Your changes won't solve any of those issues, merely make BGs more of a mindless grind. I don't see that as an improvement in any sense of the word. As far as world pvp goes. Yes, it would be nice, but I'd rather not be stuck permanently on foot or never being able to use the AH because of people being rewarded for REMOVING features of the game.
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Nivrax
World pvp where you are leveling and from time to time kill/defend from other faction of similiar level is ok. Running around STV with lvl80 DK one shotting everyone with Icy Touch and calling that "interaction" is not.
Post by
00bender00
Make battleground items purchasable only with "Victory tokens", do this for armor sets.
Let's say, 15 eots victory tokens for legs (i.e.). And since they're called VICTORY tokens, you are not gonna get any armor if you keep losing.
Said that, keep the honor gain for rings/necks/backs.
WSG debuff on flag carrier "cap in 2 min. or its returned to the enemy base" would be great too, bye bye 4 hours turtled WSGs.
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Wanderingfox
Make battleground items purchasable only with "Victory tokens", do this for armor sets.
Let's say, 15 eots victory tokens for legs (i.e.). And since they're called VICTORY tokens, you are not gonna get any armor if you keep losing.
Said that, keep the honor gain for rings/necks/backs.
WSG debuff on flag carrier "cap in 2 min. or its returned to the enemy base" would be great too, bye bye 4 hours turtled WSGs.
Your changes would only hurt the system. By forcing people to win in order to get gear, you inherently punish the people with less gear as they are less likely to win. This would mean you'd have to give them something (albeit less) in order to allow them to improve their gear even if they lose. This system was already tried (before honor, everything was purchased with BG marks), and it did not work out too well.
A debuff is ALREADY put on the flag carrier that makes him much easier to kill after a short period of time. Returning the flag to the enemy base will feel very 'shallow' and will likely drive even more people out of the BG since what you're suggesting is that whoever got the flag first in the turtle should be punished.
Post by
n4rt0n
My bet is back to the TBC pvp items system
Honor + Battleground Mark
because right now people just worry about get as much honor as they can per bg.
People are going to actually try to win, and some hybrid classes with duel-spec will use support builds to make it easily.
Because seriously grind endless amounts of honor isn´t funny and many people just hate it (i hate it) and even worst to who has any alt (in my case are 2).
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