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well, firstly, emberstorm is that good, 41/30 will perform better in any fair test.
however to look a little deeper, 'meta > emberstorm', as an idea, is based on them both having the spell power buff from ToW/DP. if your raid group has no other way than you to provide that buff then it's very likely that you and your raid will benefit most from a meta build.
however, if you have an ele shaman the decision gets a little more complicated. at higher gear levels DP beats ToW and allows the shaman to use a dps/FR totem. but you will take a personal dps hit.
i just noticed that i'm not really answering your question very efficiently here. basically, 41/30 wins because meta gives up some dps to provide the buffs that 41/30 is assumed to have.
...and emberstorm is a very powerful talent.
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ember's 15% is all the time. meta is 20% for 30 seconds every 2 minutes. the 'fire damage or all damage' thing is fine because 41/30 only uses shadow spells to proc MC for
more
fire damage anyway - it's a fire build.
a meta lock takes a personal dps hit because the build does inherently less damage. not enough to be an embarrassment (not by a long way) but a clear a demonstrable notch down.
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higher utility has to bring lower damage otherwise nobody would ever use the non-utility builds. i know that the 51/41/31 point talent thing often comes up (particularly FG > conflag) but it's really not that simple.
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clipping is recasting a DoT spell before it has finished it's duration. all DoTs do a portion of their damage at the last moment so recasting a DoT prevent that tick from happening and resets the timer meaning it will be even longer until the next cast.
taking corruption as an example, it ticks every 3 seconds for 18 seconds. if you were to recast corruption at 17 seconds you just lost 1/6th of it's damage making it less efficient AND you reset the timer meaning that you won't see a corruption tick for a combined 5 seconds.
for a spec like aff which relies heavily on DoT damage losing efficiency and uptime on DoTs can have a major effect on your overall output.
the various builds do all have their strengths and weaknesses, yes. the simulations test the various builds in ideal situations because that's the only objective way to compare but what it
does
show is that all being equal the various well made builds are very close and actually personal preference and playstyle will have a much bigger effect than what the simulations suggest should be best.
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um... there's 2 quotes on this page that say my name but aren't my writing. please could you guys fix that?
chris6575, yes, let the corruption drop completely before recasting it. just keep casting SBs and don't worry it's better to have a couple of seconds downtime than to clip that last tick.
@lengthycobra, sorry to disagree with you but i think the "DKs are just better than we are" thing is an excuse. there isn't such a hard cap on damage that can't be overcome by skill, well chosen gear and rotation.
there are a myriad of reasons for different players to achieve different places on meters and saying to yourself 'there's no point in trying to beat that class, they're imba' or getting bitter about others getting better numbers with what you perceive to be less skill is just settling for less dps.
i've never been beaten by someone of equal or less gear who wasn't an
incredibly
good player. if you think you have then look to your own methods for the solution. don't accept it as blizzard's imbalance.
back to chris6575, we're in a fantastic position where we have several builds that perform very closely at a range of gear levels. the tBC situation where it was 'aff to T5 then destro' or worse in vanilla with SM/ruin and no options was a bad one and blizz have fixed it.
what i'm saying is, as long as you're using a well made raid build (see stickies) it doesn't matter what the simulations
say
is the best build,
you
will get the best results from the build you're best at or enoy most.
it's a really excellent position to be in as a class and we shouldn't try to pigeon-hole ourselves into a single cookie-cutter if we don't have to.
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what i'm saying is, as long as you're using a well made raid build (see stickies) it doesn't matter what the simulations
say
is the best build,
you
will get the best results from the build you're best at or enoy most.
Unless you roll Deep Destro.
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asakawa
even deep destro. it's lower on simulations but it is still currently capable of very good numbers.
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