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Marksmanship Specs: 2/2 Rapid Recuperation instead of 2/2 Survival Instincts?
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Fjobben
For start, how much Armor Penetration do you have? Arcane shot shouldn't be going out your rotaion until you have +400 ARP and it's almost a must to have a ARP-proc trinket. Also, one of the hunters in your guild should be glyphed and talented with hunters mark so other hunters would not waste that, it'd be good to check that first.
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Argg0
Hm? I get them both and Imp Hunter's Mark... and Focused Aim.
Maybe you are picking up some bad talents?
Imp SS > Imp Barrage for example.
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izuul
Getting my ArP gems cut atm, I'll be at over 700 ArP at that point
That doesn't sound like enough ArP on your gear to be gemming for it. I've done some rough tests in the spreadsheet and, IMO, you need close to that much ArP
before
gemming to make it worthwhile. Otherwise you should still be gemming Agility. Also, it takes even more ArP before ignoring most yellow socket bonuses for an ArP gem is better than using an Agi/Crit gem to pick up the bonus.
As for the other question...
Assuming 2/2 Rapid Recup,
this
is the best DPS spec for me. Going 1/3 Improved Barrage and 3/3 ISS is the next best option. Survival Instincts is a keeper, so don't drop that.
I still get more DPS out of Improved Barrage than ISS, but that could change based on other things, so i wouldn't assume it to be true with others.
Just keep in mind that you need a very smooth rotation to fully take advantage of ISS. Definitely do not glyph for Chimera or Aimed Shots or it will foul up the timing. You need to be going Chimera > Aimed > Steady x4-5, repeat so that your ISS procs work on your Chimera rather than your Aimed.
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Argg0
Hm? I get them both and Imp Hunter's Mark... and Focused Aim.
Maybe you are picking up some bad talents?
Imp SS > Imp Barrage for example.
Can I see your spec? It sounds like you're missing something you should have -- based on the cookie cutter spec, there are 3 points you move around primarily, moving them to either Imp Arcane Shot, Imp Hunter's Mark, or Focused Aim. The reason I made this thread = I think there are some places where you could take 2 points and move them into Rapid Recuperation for a dps gain, due to having to use viper less, but I'm not positive.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#cxbZceAoohzGIoguAox00b
I'm aware that I'll lose some Rapid Shooting CDs, but I can't think of anything that it would be better.
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izuul
Yeah i definitely think that ISS is the least consistent damage boost of the talents in question. Lots of movement and getting out of synch on your rotation can both have really adverse effects on it. It would be the first thing i cut out of my spec.
Personally, I like 2/2 Rapid Recup for 10-mans. It's just so rare that you end up with all the necessary buffs and debuffs in a 10-man raid to prevent going OOM.
The timing thing is a bit tricky. Unless there is a specific period of time where the boss takes more damage, you just want to use it back to back (with Readiness) as early as possible without wasting too much of the mana regen. Somewhere around 70-75% mana is usually pretty good, but if you find your mana is holding really well in a fight just use it early. It definitely helps to be familiar with the fight and your raid comp so that you kind of know what to expect as far as mana comsumption vs replenishment goes.
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Janube
It'd be the first thing you cut? Really?
The first thing I'm doing with my MM spec when I change it is cutting TSA out.
Being a part of a top raiding guild on my server has given me the chance to see just how often there's a blood dk, enhancie, or another MM.
Ideally, if you're a serious raider, you should have one spec for being the buff-!@#$% of hunters, and one spec where you have a full-DPS MM spec.
ISS tends to work marvelously for me when I hang out in MM, but at my gear, SV still does a considerable amount more DPS at this point.
Your call. *Shrug*
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izuul
It'd be the first thing you cut? Really?
Yeah i definitely think that ISS is the least consistent damage boost
of the talents in question.
Lots of movement and getting out of synch on your rotation can both have really adverse effects on it. It would be the first thing i cut out of my spec.
TSA and IHM were not talents in question. He already stated that he wanted/needed IHM, so the specs were being built around that assumption.
We were talking about ISS, Improved Barrage, and Survival Instincts, and, yeah, i would cut ISS out first if i had to.
Personally, I'm not the raid buffer so i don't have that problem.
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