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Paolo
I would never take an offspec healer into a hard mode. So that part of your question is irrelevant unless you become a committed healer, or until you're overgeared for the place in the next tier of gear.
Toc10 normal: make sure you have enough regen to last the fights and enough spell power to keep up your tank. Do Ulduar25 to find out the answer; if you're good in Ulduar, you'll be good in Toc10.
Toc25 normal: Do Toc10 normal to find out.
Does that answer the question?
It's amazing that people with any experience healing at all ask and/or answer these questions. There are so many related factors...how could anyone answer with a simple number or two? What if your tank is geared in all 258? Well, you won't need as much spell power, will you? What if he's in 226? What if your dps is kind of weak? What if your healing team is OMG amazing and will probably carry you comfortably through anything?
Lol at "guidelines for Toc10: 2500 sp, 400 mp5 casting, 30% crit, whatever..." The game is designed incrementally. Move up to the next tier when you graduate (or nearly so) from the previous one.
This question can legitimately be asked once: by people who just hit 80 and need some first-round target to hit before they go into heroics. That's an innocent question. After you've done healing for a while though, you should darn well realize that looking for overly simplistic answers is, generally speaking, ludicrous.
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Paolo
I'm still fuming at this question.
There's not even a
hint
that skill or experience is a relevant factor.
Take a shadow priest and thrown them in 3k spell power gear...doesn't mean they know their diddly about healing, or can deal with stressful situations. They might just spam Flash Heal and think that that's healing. (I'm sure we've all seen crap like that.)
You'll know when you're ready, given the team you're playing with, and given your own skills as a healer.
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Paolo
Just to let you know Ive healed ToC10 as Disc with nps....Toc25 Ive healed as wel
So why are you even asking? If you know that your gear is capable of achieving results, what advice could we possibly give you?
You didn't answer Val's question. You are not cooling me off by avoiding it.
Are you mad because even in my dps gear I am able to heal most raids and be considered a good healer?
Read this
, then tell me why I give a f*ck about your uberness.
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I was just wondering why your first 2 responses felt like you were just flaming me and I wanted to know why.Very simple. I'm convinced you know the answers to the questions you're posing.
Every one of us starts out on thin ice. We jump into heroics too soon. We either get carried or we play with people at our own level. Let's ignore the first possibility. If you play content at level, you're stretched, at least initially. You wipe. You wonder what the heck you're doing wrong. You improve your gear. And before you know it, the ice isn't quite so thin any more.
That's when you move up a level. You start over on thin ice, you gear up, you get comfortable, you move up a level.
You
know when it's time to move up. It's not a question of gear score or mana pool or some other arbitrary and abstract target. You know because you're the one playing your toon.
And my blog post was a bulls-eye for your comment about being able to heal in shadow gear. The game is more and more forgiving of stuff like that. It doesn't mean anything about you being great or not, it doesn't make me mad at you or even at Blizzard. But I'll tell you: when I set up pugs -- and I lead Toc25 (normal) pugs every week -- I need to minimize the number of potential hitches. Running a big pug is already fraught with danger, and many groups don't succeed on our crappy server. So if I needed a healer, and I found someone trying to assure me that they can do it even in their shadow gear -- or in their disc pvp spec -- I won't think twice. No invite.
But I pug to succeed. I know pug leaders who invite for Toc25 pugs based purely on wow-heroes score alone. That's a pug I would never join. Well, that's not entirely true. I did once, and spent almost three hours in a group with a phenomenal average gear score, just trying to get past the worms.
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I was looking for some advanced insight, it wasnt a hard thing to do. You can simply link your armory and say "I heal Heroic ToC10 in this gear and do just fine...link" or " 2600 sp is something to aim for then go for crit...."I'm telling you you're looking in the wrong direction for an answer. Any answer that you get that looks like that ("2600 sp, 30% crit") will not help.
That
is the advanced insight. Beginner insights look like that ("2600 sp") and are, as I said, useful for starter 80s, but not for someone who is experienced enough to be considering running the hardest raids in town. Is that zealous? Macho? Arrogant? I think not...I'm merely insisting that you be more independent and NOT take the arrogant advice of people who insist that some particular number is relevant in any way.
The one thing I will assent to is that my advice is demanding. Feel free to ignore it and find someone who will give you a number to shoot for instead.
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OscarDivine
Here's the problem as I see it: Armory pages tell me nothing. Ever.
Whenever someone asks the question "Am I ready to heal ", they never tell you anything about themselves other than throwing you an armory link. That doesn't help.
^^ These.
I have been feeling the same thing lately. So many players want to know if they can do X, Y, or Z, but they haven't yet tried it. I'm pretty sure most of us were healing Naxx 25 in gear that was probably WAYYYY under-geared for Naxx 25 when it first came out, but a lot of us did it anyway...
If we all listened to the people spouting off BS about WoW-Heroes scores and linking junk from their meters about gear scores, we wouldn't even have entered Naxx 25 until months later. There's another thread going on that should probably be directed to these comments...
edit: to answer the OP's question: there is no answer unless we look at your raid. You could get away with all sorts of different stats depending on what your tanks and other healers are like. If you have a buncha super star healers and a tank with 50k HP and massive amounts of avoidance, you'll have more flexibility than one with 35k HP and mediocre avoidance. See what everybody is getting at now?
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Kataly
2600 SP, 350iFSR regen, 32.35% crit, 274 haste (8.36%), 25k mana self buffed. iFSR regen bumps up to 480 with solace stacks up.
I can heal TOC10/25. Pretty damn sure i could handle hardmodes. I'm a MT healer.
Here's your numbers, go get'em.
EDIT: Corrected numbers, was going off of what i remember my sheet saying in my most recent raid.
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