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Mana issues General Vezax hard mode
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260787
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Post by
Kangi
Unlike what some of you morons might think, I'm not a dumbass.You seem to be focusing on making yourself look like one. I don't purely exist in theorycrafting, I have done these fights.Good for you. Most of you are too green to even post your armory profiles, whats the matter, afraid everyone is going to see you can barely kill Vezax Hard on Ten man?Progress doesn't directly reflect knowledge.
Can you post something useful without these childish remarks?
Post by
Fingulfin
Say the debuff falls off 1 millisecond before I cast incinerate. I am now staring at a 1.9 second cast time; TONS of time to hit cancel and wait for the next cloud.
Say the debuff falls off 1 millisecond before I cast Conflag. Whoops, there goes 5% of my mana pool. Oh well, better luck next time.
Say the debuff falls off 1 millisecond before your incinerate cast finishes, you're in no better position than you would be if you were casting an instant except with an instant you're much more likely to get your spell off instead of cancelling it.
Due to server lag+Latency, you have ~.25 seconds (250+ MS Ping, average for me) before the mana reduction bonus disappears. So, you technically have up to 250 MS before its a problem. For a 1MS late Conflagrate, by the time the server realizes you have casted it (251 MS after crash disappears) the game has known for a LONG time that the crash is gone.
In other words, if you have longer than .25 seconds left on your Incinerate cast you should definitely be able to cancel it before being penalized. If you have less than 1/4 of a second left, it should be a non-issue. Download Quartz and enable the latency function... Its amazing just how much cast time you lose.
@Gorefiend: Wasn't talking to Harry, was talking to Shaggoth. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
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178407
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Post by
Fingulfin
Username -> Profiles. For the slow people who haven't learned about the new profile feature (which allows you to show off your character without relying on the maintenence-fest known as the Armory!) and would like an old fashioned link,
here
.
PS: You have NEVER killed Vezax Hard Mode. 10 man doesn't count; his health is looooowwww, if you run out of mana PERIOD on ten man you just fail. This is about 25 man; where the REAL action is. 25 man is an endurance fight, where you actually have to be careful and stuff. Ya know?
Post by
asakawa
@fin -10 reputation
grow up little kiddie.
Post by
Fingulfin
@fin -10 reputation
grow up little kiddie.
As if this post makes YOU look any more mature. If you have nothing to add on the topic of Vezax Hard Mode, you don't need to post. Absolutely nothing in your post was construtive. I would say "Grow up little kiddie", but that would be Hypocritical wouldn't it?
FYI, I don't have problems on Vezax. My DPS is solid, my mana pool extends till the beetle-man is dead. Its the OP who is having mana trouble, and it would be best if you made suggestions to help HIM.
EDIT: At the very least, you can live in your own hypocritical world... But don't feed the troll (me). Be the bigger man and leave whats well alone.
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180549
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Post by
asakawa
i'm just saying, fin, that you give some excellent advice on this forum. you clearly know your way around the class. it's just a shame you occasionally ruin all of that by being ridiculously rude and stupid about the most inane issues.
as i said earlier in the thread, you made a reasonable point. i don't particularly agree that it represents a meaningful benefit but it's a fair point and something for people to try if they do struggle for mana in this fight.
why you have to fill the thread with flames i do not know. if you feel you lost an argument on theoretical grounds that doesn't mean you gain any traction by quoting anecdote. anecdotal evidence is wafer thin in these situations so claiming victory because you've done the fight is silly.
i've done that fight on my healer but not my lock. do you think that makes me less qualified to advise? let me tell you, healing that particular hard mode is... interesting to say the least.
i'm just suggesting that if you have a point to make then make it. if people don't get it then do your best to make your point clear. if people disagree then, if you're right, it's their loss. move on.
Post by
Kangi
@fin -10 reputation
Fin, MINUS 50 DKP!
On a more serious note, Fin, adding little rude remarks and unnecessary comments along with overly-stressing your inane point makes you appear like a simple troll. I'd like to think of you as a very knowledgeable player, but you're just making yourself look bad.
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178407
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Post by
Fingulfin
Now if you had said that in the first place, I wouldn't have got worked up Shaggoth. It was this line:
So
because you suck
and
can't pay attention
to debuffs present on you, you dropped an insanely high dpct spell and than reccomended other warlocks do the same. That's
pretty fail
.
If you can time your conflags well and have that much attention to spare, go ahead and use it. The OP was having mana problems, so I told him what I did to make all those problems go away. There was simply too much going on on my first Vezax Hard Mode (25 Man) kill for me to concentrate on Conflags CD and usage.
On 25 man, it RAINS shadow crashes . Our particular strategy had our range DPS split up into two groups (based on class) to stand on opposite edges of the crash. Whenever he shot out a crash, one of the groups would have to move... Which meant that I had to be constantly watching DBM in order to tell when my group was moving. In addition to that, I had to keep an eye on my Powa Addon to make sure I was in the crash and I didn't have Life Leech on me. In the end, dropping conflag out of my rotation helped me conserve my mana for the Animus, and manage all the other crap that goes on in that fight (also, healers do NOT heal us DPS in this fight. If we get hurt, we have to heal ourselves with whatever we have at our disposal).
@asakawa: The healing experience is MUCH different from the range DPS experience. If your guild has any sense, you are standing right underneath Vezax. When in that position, you don't need to worry about Shadow Crashes OR Life Leech... Its simply about mana management. Provided your DPS isn't retarded and knows how to gtfo of shadow crashes/leech, you should not have to worry about too much.
Post by
asakawa
well, actually, since it's a druid, i use the crashes for my lifeblooms (and my disc friends use them for shields) and whether you think my guild has any sense or not really doesn't concern me in the slightest.
my point is, i know the encounter pretty well since i've done it on my druid, DK and warlock in various states of hard/easy mode and 25/10.
you're not the only one who has
been
there.
you're not a special snowflake.
you're not always right.
...but nor is anyone.
with that in mind. let's leave the epeens at the door and discuss this like (if not friends, then) adults.
Post by
260787
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Post by
asakawa
stand in a crash.
cast 2 x LB
step out of the crash
cast 3rd LB
win ^_^
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260787
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Post by
asakawa
stay out for real healing, jump in for little spots of raid healing with and underpowered but cheap LB (the mana return (though lower than usual) is still almost the same as mana cost) and to get the first 2 stacks on the tank if you can do that easily.
makes for a fun fight with lots of running around.
Post by
irharry
Unlike what some of you morons might think, I'm not a dumbass. I don't purely exist in theorycrafting, I have done these fights. Most of you are too green to even post your armory profiles, whats the matter, afraid everyone is going to see you can barely kill Vezax Hard on Ten man?
If this is what you think, then quoting the bit where I said
I've only tried vezax hard mode on 10 man, and haven't managed a kill, so there may something I'm not getting here
doesn't help. I'm fairly sure I made my point, and admitted you could be right as there may be something you know I that I don't. I've called you a moron in other posts where you darn well deserved it - but I didn't here.
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260787
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