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Mana breaks- was I wrong?
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Post by
Zxian
I'd have to say that if the tank pulls after a mana pause, but before you're actually ready, you should jump in the first time and help out as you can.
If the tank is a repeat offender, let him die, and then
you
start the @#$%^ing process before he does. Tell him that you weren't ready, and the tank can't just plow on mindlessly. Heroics and raids are group content - you have to play
with
the others in your group.
As a tank, I'll always ask before pulling the next trash if the healer is below 50% mana. On bosses, healers always get time to mana up to full. Their mana = my health.
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Post by
semperfi
I think you did the right thing especially because it happened more than once.
I don't get angry just because people make a mistake but repeat the mistake enough times and you will get a reaction. Mana breaks used to be part of an instance but now you are branded as a noob if you need to stop and drink every now and then.
Post by
dumac
I general disaprove doing stuff like that, but if you warned them that you get oom and they still pull. I really do not see any harm of not healing then you was on low mana. It shows the tank that he cannot pull crap like that. A lesson in the hard way.
I am a tank myself and i am really good geared but sometimes i run pugs heroic, i always check the level of the healer. How much he can handle, then i know how much i can pull.
But healers who drinks on trash pull then they got over 50% mana is something that amuses me. That i do get annoyed at, bcs it slows down the instance alot with unnecessary down time. Some healers are really demanding because they know they are hard to replace, that sometimes makes me see red. I have kicked healers if they gone out of line but i try to keep the group happy aslong as i can.
Healing is really fun, i have that as my dual specc. THink more people should try it out:)
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Post by
Samii
Tips n' tricks
Or you could always start drinking as soon as you get out of combat and make do with what mana you get out of that.
Skip looting, you can always do that when the last boss is dead.
Unless your tank takes a lot of damage you can always keep drinking the first seconds in a fight.
Those are a few of the tricks I use to survive chain pulling groups. I have lots of experience with chain pulling since every tank I know does it. Make do with what you have. It usually enough to get you through.
Most tanks (or dps) explain tactics before a boss fight, take that time and drink up. It's often enough to get you back to full. If it doesn't most healers have a way to regen mana in combat. Innervate, mana tide totem, hymn of whatever (don't remember the name).
Follow these tips and you'll avoid the hassle of fighting with PuG's and the dungeons will go smoother. Of course there is always exceptions and these tricks won't help out but, at least give it a try.
Post by
vtecjunkie81
When I heal on my priest, I have a "ready-check" spell. I'll hit the tank with Prayer of Mending. All the tanks in my guild know this, and when I do pug (very rarely), I always let the tank know that when they get this buff, I'm gtg.
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Post by
Celdhyrean
Or you could always start drinking as soon as you get out of combat and make do with what mana you get out of that.Not going to happen unless i have mage food on me. I do go around with 2 stacks of drinks, but i'm not going to eat them by packs of 5 per minute for no reason. (Black Morass at the start of BC did count as a good reason since it was difficult to keep mana up at the time, but most wotlk instances don't have any such mecanic)
Skip looting, you can always do that when the last boss is dead.Run back through the whole instance for 5 minutes because people can't play as a team ? Makes me laugh.Unless your tank takes a lot of damage you can always keep drinking the first seconds in a fight.That was precisely the situation described, both tank and dps taking lots of damage.
Going back to the OP, healing once and warning after would have been better indeed. In practice however, those people usually don't listen (as evidenced by the fact that the following pulls were also #$%^ty) and you don't get anything out of it.
Doing it on the second pull it would have been totally justified.
As to all those saying "you're dumb for wanting 100% mana", you aren't looking at the whole situation: the group just came out of a bad first pull. Do you think "they're certainly going to do the second pull perfectly !" or do you think " they might mess up the following one too, i'd better prepare for that". I'd prefer (and would be) the second healer. Of course, with a group of average skill you don't have any problems on mana pools and can just wait for the boss or whatever. This is a post about how to handle a non-normal situation with people not doing their job correctly. ie optimizing the speed of pulling and all that is something you do once you have mastered surviving, not before.
As for myself, I can garantee you that i'm not going to eat NPC-bought food everytime i go OOC just to save the asses of people unable to do their job properly, after they've been warned once. It's not a question of gold, how i play my mana consumption or gear or whatever. "Be a team player" you say ? If the others aren't working as a team, then it's better to force them to notice that early than to continue down the same road and rack up massive repair bills for everyone.
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Celdhyrean
If someone asked you to drive them to the ER, and your car had 3/10 of a tank of gas, would you make refueling your top priority?Except that in this case the guys you are driving might jump out at random points and run back or in loops, forget things at home, cover your eyes for fun or generally just turn the wheel on the wrong side and indicate you the wrong way to go. This makes having enough fuel a much higher priority.
This topic is about people who DON'T cooperate. Not necessarly with the healer but amongst themselves as evidenced by everyone having agro during the first pull.
Post by
darkdog
This happens all the time to me i will sit down to drink and the tank will go ok that enough you have %50 mana and pull now if i am gonna buy these expensive drinks i might as well use the whole drink right?
I did a perfect run the other day with my dps alt guild we ran though a couple heroics zero wipes and the healer never having to drink.
Point is if you have a good tank and good dps your healer should never have to drink and there should never be any deaths. A bad tank or bad dps can make a healers job much harder.
Seems to me since pure dps classes are so easy to level they just rush to 80 and then have no clue how to act in a group.
Post by
ACruz
I normally only group up with guildies and friends, i have one in a million chances to get a decent group to do anything, and crap like pikeyboy described happens often in a PUG.
Since the chance to get a healer in our circle is just near do 0%, i'm forced to be a healer.
I don't heal becouse i want, i heal becouse if i don't, no one else will and we are all stuck.
So if i'm part of a group, where everyone has a role to play and mine demands that when the fight is over and everyone is ready for another mob group, i still have to top everyone's health, check if my mana is up and then loot the dead bastards, i'ts obvious that you SHOULD wait for the healer.
If they wanna continue and keep the killing spree before i'm finished, that's ok, probably earth shield will do the job for me, no rush..if things go the wrong way... lesson learned.
And i don't buy the snobby healer speach, i'll do this as a tank, and as a mana dps. If i'm thirsty i'll drink, and if i rush my drinking, i might get hicups. My doctor told me so.
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Post by
phoenixdown
I totally understand, and it makes me giggle to read this thread.
BUT, I've never gone as far as watching a group wipe while I drink, though. I would still jump up and try my best to heal, hoping for the best. Plate is expensive gear to repair, so every wipe hits my purse pretty hard. But if everyone died because I went oom mid fight, and they flamed me for "allowing" that to happen, they'd be arguing with a VERY !@#$ed off pally.
Moral of this story: 10 secs drinking < 2 mins running back
Post by
phoenixdown
If i'm thirsty i'll drink, and if i rush my drinking, i might get hicups. My doctor told me so.
Love it.
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