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Low DPS with Destro build
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asakawa
i've mentioned this several times before but "DPS" is a term that covers a multitude of definitions. yes, DPS means damage-per-second but it is more often used simple to mean "damage" or as a verb to
do
damage. i think it's pretty clear that sylauren meant damage in that case rather than DPS as a number that recount shows and we are surely all fluent enough in these discussions to know what we're talking about at any given point.
DPS is a fun number to talk about but anyone who seriously thinks it's important needs to be pointed and laughed at.
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asakawa
ok, let me clarify. it's a number that has uses. if someone has tremendous DPS but low damage done then it's a sign that something is wrong and it's also the first step towards a diagnosis. if you have a burn phase or a time-limited hard mode then knowing the minimum DPS per person required and achieved can be useful. essentially, DPS
should
correspond directly to damage done and if it doesn't then it's a sign of shinanigans afoot.
as such it's a good thing that recount is able to show that metric and it's an excellent tool for raid leaders but 99% of the time it is abused as a number and is simply used as a measurement of epeen. further, any attempt to alter rotations or spell choice to affect DPS rather than damage done can only ever be a bad thing for the raid.
one last point on DPS is that you so often hear people say that DPS is all that raid leaders (pug leaders) care about and they need to do anything they can to pad out their DPS even at the expense of the raid (like AoEing adds on emalon, AoEing whelps when you've been asked to stay on ony or just using a silly bursty rotations and pulling agro). well, pug leaders might quote low DPS when they kick you but if you have 2k DPS but were third on damage done they wouldn't ever say a thing. their recount
bars
will be showing damage done and most will be showing DPS in brackets as a number. after a wipe a pug leader will look for small bars not numbers and if you have reasonable DPS but a smaller bar than a tank then you're probably out and you probably deserve it.
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Post by
asakawa
immolate has a cast time but it does not have a flight time.
all spells do not have it.
warlocks in particular are a class with more "flightless" spells than most.
you're right that it isn't lag in the true sense of the word.
we don't know whether it's deliberate or not - i would imagine not, though that's not to say it is a bug either.
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WoWTheoryCraft
It's not a question of whether it's deliberate or not, it's inevitable.
The server decides if your Immo hit the target, not the client.
The client instruction to cast Immo and the response from the server take time to travel across the internet.
Therefore you
cannot
pre-cast Conflag as the client doesn't know whether or not your Immo will hit.
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Post by
asakawa
well, now you're basically talking about the limits of damage meters.
damage meters
can
give you interesting information after a fight.
damage meters
cannot
put a green tick next to good players and a red cross next to bad ones.
all of the various statistics that recount (or other meters in game or online) can output can be useful but none of them can be used constructively without a fair amount of understanding of the game and a big dose of common sense.
that is one thing that is/should be generally understood. the point here is separate to that and is simply that DPS does not down bosses, damage done does.
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asakawa
yes, they're inextricably linked.... i'm losing sight of what's being discussed now.
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asakawa
then i pronounce us both correct! we win.
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