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LB spam vs LvB/LB rotation
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Post by
binkenstein
Ok guys, let me spell this out for you.
LB Spam will be
less dps
than using a normal FS,LvB,LB rotation. If you're finding the opposite, you're doing it wrong. Seriously wrong. This is with LB, FS and ToW glyphs.
Post by
windstrum
If you guys are so good with LB spamming probably means you do the 1. rotation incorrect.
It maybe due to Latency, bad usage of glyphs or rotation mess. Get Quartz, proper glyphs (totem of wrath, lb, flame shock) and do it right.
It may be also due to bad gear/talent spec composition (favouring crit & haste over pure spellpower), not speccing into
core talents for LvB
.
I happen to have 4/5 t7 bonus so the difference is even bigger. I do 3.5k dps with proper rotation. Havent tried LB spam yet but from my experience i do lower dps with it.
My spec is solid, as are my glyphs. I have ~2k spell power, ~450 haste and 22% crit chance. Better yet, here's my
armory
profile.
I was noticing the same thing, with my LB crits doing around 1000-2000 less damage than my LvB crits, but coming more often
I dont get it. How exactly can you get more crits with pure LB spam (base cast time 2s) crit rate random, over LB spam with LvB each 6s with base cast time 1.5s being 100% crit?
Its kind of obvious you do something wrong or you look at it wrong.
If from LB spam you get more crit rate per LB than from LB/LvB rotation it just means you havent casted enough.
It can happen "more often" by having more spells hit. Lightning Overload causes more hits on the target, which would be leading to more crits. I'm seeing the same thing. (It's still 22% plus Elemental Focus, but happening more in the same amount of time).
PS: Windstrum: You seem to have a little better gear, yet i am to discover why exactly you gem for crit or why you use Water shield glyph instead of LB. Probably due to fact resto is your main spec.
Check my armory link above. I updated my sig to link to the new wowhead profiles, but they seem buggy for the time being. You'll see in my armory profile that I'm not using the WS glyph.
Post by
windstrum
Ok guys, let me spell this out for you.
LB Spam will be
less dps
than using a normal FS,LvB,LB rotation. If you're finding the opposite, you're doing it wrong. Seriously wrong. This is with LB, FS and ToW glyphs.
Yeah, something may very well be wrong with what I'm doing, or it may just be latency (about 300-500ms on average for me, being in Australia).
I'll play around again with my FS/LvB rotation as soon as I get the chance, see if it makes any difference.
Post by
runtodarkness
My spec is solid, as are my glyphs. I have ~2k spell power, ~450 haste and 22% crit chance.
WTF man? that's some low crit you've got, and you claimed to do BETTER on LB spam. I believed you for a sec, but not with 22% crit you couldn't...
also, on a side note wouldn't you do MORE damage anyway doing LB spam with LvB thrown in (even if you weren't flame shocking) simply because it does more base damage and crits a f**k-ton higher anyway? aka LBx4 LvB repeat?
Post by
Zakkhar
WTF man? that's some low crit you've got, and you claimed to do BETTER on LB spam. I believed you for a sec, but not with 22% crit you couldn't...
also, on a side note wouldn't you do MORE damage anyway doing LB spam with LvB thrown in (even if you weren't flame shocking) simply because it does more base damage and crits a f**k-ton higher anyway? aka LBx4 LvB repeat?
Its very similar crit to mine. Its just simple RNG. They did 2 tests in which they had higher LB crit rate in LB spam than in normal rotation and here are their results. Every normal person who can use recount will see this.
eg. on LB spam their average Overload was 40% and average crit was 50% (each second LB was crit).
On LvB/LB rotation they get 35% Overload and average LB crit rate at 35% (each third LB was crit) and they think they actually discovered America.
Post by
278900
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
windstrum
WTF man? that's some low crit you've got, and you claimed to do BETTER on LB spam. I believed you for a sec, but not with 22% crit you couldn't...
Whether or not you believe me is irrelevant. I've looked at your gear, and you've got a lot more 25 man gear than I do, which seems to be a lot more crit heavy. I've also noticed you're using the mp5 shield, but to each their own...
also, on a side note wouldn't you do MORE damage anyway doing LB spam with LvB thrown in (even if you weren't flame shocking) simply because it does more base damage and crits a f**k-ton higher anyway? aka LBx4 LvB repeat?
This
is incorrect
shouldn't be assumed, due to the increased proc of Lightning Overload. This is what is making the difference, and pushing my LB-spam DPS higher than the FS/LvB/LB priority rotation.
Post by
windstrum
After nothing more than a few
gear
upgrades
, the world has righted itself.
DPS is up 1k using the FS/LvB rotation instead of LB spam on a level 80 test dummy.
Post by
cooldud
Someone with 4p t8 take a look at this please.
Post by
66520
They have. It does less dps.
Post by
Syntaxis
600 Haste, 20% crit, Resto gear so a lot of MP5. I still do much more DPS with a FS/LvB/LB rotation than I do with just spamming LB. It actually went up from 2.4k to 3.2k DPS with just my own buffs active. It's a PVP spec and I'm using PVP glyphs. That's an 800 DPS increase just by adding more spells to the rotation. Latency is negligible, though. Ran tests for each setup for nearly 10 minutes each. Swallowed a potion once during the FS/LvB/LB rotation.
If I added CL to the mix it increased even more, but that's because I hit 3 dummies of course. If LO procs then I'll hit 6 times, which is kinda nice obviously..
Point being, IF you do the full rotation and never get crits (which is possible since it's random) and compare it to a test where you spam LB and nearly every other hit is a crit, then yes.. your DPS spamming LB will be higher.
Tests of just 5 minutes are meaningless. Tests of 30 minutes or more are a lot more interesting. And even then there are so many variables at play that can't even out..
Use simulators that can simulate thousands of hours of spamming a rotation or spell, then you'll have your answer ^_^
Post by
lucius
Make sure Rank 1 LvB isn't accidentally on your bar. I know when training new spells + dual spec that it only will update the spells to new ranks on your currently active spec.
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