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Is there any hope for peace?
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Post by
Skreeran
Now that Garrosh is confirmed to be Warchief, is there any hope for peace, even if he is displaced? The Alliance can just say "you obviously don't have a handle on your own faction, we're not about to stop fighting."
It makes me sad. I know it's Warcraft, but I like the idea of the two factions respecting and semi-trusting eachother. We had that from AQ to Sunwell, and I was happy. Now from Wrathgate on, it seems there will only be war forever until one of the factions destroys the other. What do you think is necessary for peace?
Does everyone even want peace?
Maybe I'm taking the lore too seriously, but I only ever see pain and suffering and emotional hurt come from the wars. Just look at Alleria. Yes, she's crazy for murder, but that only stems from her own pain from her brother's death. Daelin Proudmoore lost a son and Jaina lost a brother. Varian lost a father and mentor and friend. Thrall lost a good friend and his mentor. Even without the big characters, there's lots of little people being killed or losing loved ones for no good reason. All of my characters lost something to the Alliance.
So do you think there's hope for peace in the future? Or has Blizzard's "put the War back in Warcraft" plan gone all too well?
Post by
Dralas
Unfortunately Blizzard thinks with their wallet more then their minds at times, so I don't see peace coming any time soon.
I do hope they think better eventually, but for a while I can say that don't bet on peace.
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451455
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Post by
Adamsm
Honestly.... no. Too many people are "Lore? What's lore? Give me my EPIX's I Wantzor purps! PVP'SSSS"
/sigh
And Blizzard is going to go towards them over the true lore lovers.... (grumble) goddamn Wrath coming out and killing Warcraft 4.......
Post by
Skreeran
That was beautiful Skreeran.
Im sure that blizz just wants to lighten things up away from people fighting a commen foe. When Sargares, or the ultimate bad guy shows up, im sure there will be peace during or at least after that. Like how there was peace during Hyjal, because blizz may have intended for that to be the last thing they ever did.I'm just tired of fighting good, honest people who have families they're trying to protect. I don't know if you follow the RPs I participate in, but most of my characters reflect that.
By the way, Dark, did you ever read my War is Hell series? I find that perfectly expressed my feelings toward the war.
Post by
Dralas
Its taken me a while to realize this question, but I need to ask:
Skreeran, do you strictly think that to the warcraft universe, or does that also expand out to the wars in the real world? You seem to always be on a crusade to stop and figure out the wars most of the time.
Post by
Skreeran
Well, I wish the wars in real life could be figured out, but they're even more complicated and hard to solve than fictional ones. At least in Warcraft there's always a real villain to pin the blame on. At least in real life we have conventions to prevent unnecessary cruelty or misconduct (killing/hurting civilians, treatment of PoWs, etc.).
I don't really like war in any setting. It's not the people that die that make me sad, but the effect those deaths have on living people. I nearly lost my own dad in the Afghanistan war.
Post by
Adamsm
Damn that's rough man. Heh, can def see why you dislike war.
Post by
Skreeran
Damn that's rough man. Heh, can def see why you dislike war.And that's just me, I can't imagine what it was like for relatives of those who died in Concentration Camps, or to be a doctor in the Civil War.
Post by
Dralas
Yeah, sorry about that. I can't say I know the feeling well enough. My first step-father was in the military, so he ended up going to Iraq for about 8 months while my mother, sister, and I waited in Germany. He was a technician, so he didn't really ever go outside and ever get close to death, but still.
Moving from the U.S. to Germany was a real pain, not going to lie.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Now that Garrosh is confirmed to be Warchief, is there any hope for peace, even if he is displaced? The Alliance can just say "you obviously don't have a handle on your own faction, we're not about to stop fighting."
It makes me sad. I know it's Warcraft, but I like the idea of the two factions respecting and semi-trusting eachother. We had that from AQ to Sunwell, and I was happy. Now from Wrathgate on, it seems there will only be war forever until one of the factions destroys the other. What do you think is necessary for peace?
Does everyone even want peace?
Maybe I'm taking the lore too seriously, but I only ever see pain and suffering and emotional hurt come from the wars. Just look at Alleria. Yes, she's crazy for murder, but that only stems from her own pain from her brother's death. Daelin Proudmoore lost a son and Jaina lost a brother. Varian lost a father and mentor and friend. Thrall lost a good friend and his mentor. Even without the big characters, there's lots of little people being killed or losing loved ones for no good reason. All of my characters lost something to the Alliance.
So do you think there's hope for peace in the future? Or has Blizzard's "put the War back in Warcraft" plan gone all too well?
But skeeran, we don't know what will happen in terms of this. Garrosh will indeed be a trigger for a greater aggression between both sides, Varian being the aggressor on the alliance side, and the conflict stepped up between both factions now more then ever in cataclysm.
But as much will be proven with the use of phasing tech, anything is possible over the course of time. Garrosh will be warchief, but I know without question he won't remain warchief for very long, not with Saurfang and his axe has anything to say.
Post by
Skreeran
But skeeran, we don't know what will happen in terms of this. Garrosh will indeed be a trigger for a greater aggression between both sides, Varian being the aggressor on the alliance side, and the conflict stepped up between both factions now more then ever in cataclysm.
But as much will be proven with the use of phasing tech, anything is possible over the course of time. Garrosh will be warchief, but I know without question he won't remain warchief for very long, not with Saurfang and his axe has anything to say.But even if Garrosh if removed from office, the damage will be done. Everything the Horde has worked for to gain the trust of the Alliance will go down the tubes. They can just say "well, you let Garrosh become Warchief and start a war. He didn't even have demon blood. You are clearly the same bloodythirsty warmongers from the old wars. That or you have no handle on your own faction and who directs it."
And the truth is, we don't have a handle on who directs it. Blizzard does. If the Alliance didn't trust us much back when Thrall was Warchief, how can we expect them to trust us now, when Garrosh, someone who clearly wants Alliance genocide, was allowed to hold any sort of office?
Post by
Arkham
Honestly.... no. Too many people are "Lore? What's lore? Give me my EPIX's I Wantzor purps! PVP'SSSS"
/sigh
And Blizzard is going to go towards them over the true lore lovers.... (grumble) goddamn Wrath coming out and killing Warcraft 4.......I resent your statement that all people who prefer the Horde-Alliance conflict be brought back to the forefront are all mindless, gear-thirsting lore-haters. Not to mention your implication that the "true lore lovers" all want peace.
I've already gone over this point in the past, in previous posts in other threads, so I'll be brief: I like the fact that they can't get along despite the fact that they need to. It's far more interesting that way. Peace between "civilization factions" like the Horde and Alliance is all well and good and noble in real life, but in stories I find it terribly dull and not at all a good catalyst for an intriguing and engrossing story. IMO, teaming up to defeat the non-civilization "evil factions" like the Scourge and Burning Legion should be (and fortunately have been) a temporary thing.
Post by
Skreeran
I resent your statement that all people who prefer the Horde-Alliance conflict be brought back to the forefront are all mindless, gear-thirsting lore-haters. Not to mention your implication that the "true lore lovers" all want peace.
I've already gone over this point in the past, in previous posts in other threads, so I'll be brief: I like the fact that they can't get along despite the fact that they need to. It's far more interesting that way. Peace between "civilization factions" like the Horde and Alliance is all well and good and noble in real life, but in stories I find it terribly dull and not at all a good catalyst for an intriguing and engrossing story. IMO, teaming up to defeat the non-civilization "evil factions" like the Scourge and Burning Legion should be (and fortunately have been) a temporary thing.I don't like pain. I don't like seeing people in pain. War causes pain. I don't like war.
Look at Alleria, Varian, Thrall, Turalyon, Lothar, Jaina, Daelin... They all have experienced or continue to experience severe emotional pain at the other factions hands for no good reason. I don't like that. The fact that it seems that even more will happen through another pointless war does not make me happy. Just look at the Open War RP or my War is Hell series for evidence.
Post by
Dralas
I can tell this dispute will go somewhere not good fast.
Just a heads up, keep it civil.
Post by
389776
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Post by
Skreeran
when i read war is hell i was outraged at the end it just didnt seem fair that any of them shouldve suffered like thatThat's the point. :P I'm glad you felt that way when you read it, because that means I was successful.
I wanted to emphasize that neither of them deserved what they got, and that war was, in fact, hell. Or at least not something to be desired.
Post by
Adamsm
I resent your statement that all people who prefer the Horde-Alliance conflict be brought back to the forefront are all mindless, gear-thirsting lore-haters. Not to mention your implication that the "true lore lovers" all want peace.
I've already gone over this point in the past, in previous posts in other threads, so I'll be brief: I like the fact that they can't get along despite the fact that they need to. It's far more interesting that way. Peace between "civilization factions" like the Horde and Alliance is all well and good and noble in real life, but in stories I find it terribly dull and not at all a good catalyst for an intriguing and engrossing story. IMO, teaming up to defeat the non-civilization "evil factions" like the Scourge and Burning Legion should be (and fortunately have been) a temporary thing.Can you honestly say that Blizzard isn't more focused on pulling in as many people as possible to make as much money as possible? And when I say PVP I'm talking actual pvpers, not overall Alliance vs Horde, I know war is part of the Warcraft mythos, but I hate being forced into a postition of needing to fight if I don't have to. I'd much rather fight against the Scourge, the Legion, Corrupted Flights and the like.
Post by
Dralas
"For salvation, this we must believe..."
I wonder if that line applies to this much..
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389776
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