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Is Heroic Strike now obsolete?
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marklartank
10% sounds about right. that puts it about 4th on the list - still a good dps/tps boost, but not our #1 ability like the meters show.
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Porcell
I'm reasonably sure that blizzard changed glancing blows a while back. Glancing blows only affect targets +4 your level, instead of targets +3 your level. There's pretty much no glancing blows once you ding 80.
Glancing blows only affect melee swings, not special abilties. You should still see ~20-25% melee swing glancing blows against bosses (this is what I see on all of our WMO parses).
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Porcell
Glancing blows happen against mobs four levels above you. A glancing blow causes 1/4 damageOr something like that >.>, I'm not even sure how much damage is taken away from a glancing blow, but I just saw a quote like this on the tips part of the WoW loading screen. I don't remember all of it, but I do remember that it said "four levels above", and bosses are level 83, so to a level 80, glancing blows don't really exist in the game.
But maybe I'm wrong, I have a 50 bite memory IRL >.>
Maybe you are thinking of crushing blows. Crushing blows do 150% damage, but are only against mobs 4 levels over you. Glancing blows affect all of your melee swings,
"At current Glancing blows occur at about 20% of the time versus mobs that are above your level. These attacks only do 70% of their normal damage versus a mob that is 3 levels above you. (10% per mob level). Bosses are counted as "your level+3"." -Source
Wowwiki
Some of the information may be outdated, but the fact remains that you do still see glancing blows against level 83 boss mobs.
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Sakkura
Looks normal to me, except maybe a bit few shield slams compared to devastates.
He used 60 + 21 +20 + 4 +7 = 112 GCD abilities, and 119 heroic strikes. A GCD lasts 1.5 seconds plus lag. A heroic strike can be cast once per swing, and most tank weapons have swing timers from 1.5 to 1.7 seconds. So you would expect to see roughly equal numbers of heroic strikes and GCD abilities if there is ample rage. 112 and 119 are roughly equal, so it's pretty standard numbers.
Edit: Oops, missed that there were 32 regular autoattacks. That's a bit much then, maybe his GCD abilities were lowered since you're not always in range on that fight. Plus lag of course.
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Porcell
So here's from last night.
Ability Tot Dmg Atks %Dmg Hits AvgDmg %Crit
Heroic Strike 177,009 119 32.8% 111 1,594 30.2%
Devastate 139,164 60 25.8% 58 2,399 26.6%
Shield Slam 68,950 21 12.7% 20 3,447 33.3%
Revenge 51,709 20 9.5% 18 2,872 20%
Deep Wounds 45,168 142 8.3%
Melee 23,374 32 4.3% 30 779 9.3%
Shockwave 12,677 4 2.3% 4 3,169
Thunder Clap 6,861 7 1.2% 7 980
Damage Shield 5,503 21 1.0% 21 262
@Porcell, I'm just curious... do you skip over some Dev's and SS's to spam more H.S.'s on boss fights? I thought the "damage done" order would normally be: Shield Slam, Devastate, then H.S. ? The number of Dev's also seems kinda low. Shouldn't it be almost same number as H.S.'s?
Quick correction, it was Lord Jaraxxus and not Twins like I originally said. Anyway...
I'm slightly confused by your questions. There's no way the number of Devastates should be as high as the number of Heroic Strikes, especially on a sit still and tank-n-spank fight like Jaraxxus.
The fight took 194 seconds. 194 / 1.5 = 129 Global Cooldowns. I had 60 Devastates, 21 Shield Slams, 20 Revenges, 4 Shockwaves and 7 Thunderclaps for a total of 112 Global Cooldowns used on damaging abilities. I also had 4 Demo Shouts and 1 Commanding Shout during the fight, so I used a total of 117 of my possible 129 GCDs.
117 GCDs I used. The optimal rotation, if I did not have Sword and Board would be Shield Slam, Revenge, Devastate, , and repeat. Therefore, if I didn't have S&B, I'd expect 1/4th of my GCDs to be Shield Slam, 1/4th to be Revenge, and slightly less than 1/2 to be Devastates. However, since I
do
have Sword and Board, I'd expect my Shield Slams to be slightly more than 1/4th and my Devastates to be even less than 1/2.
However, I had 18% Shield Slams, 17% Revenges, and 51% Devastates, with the other 14% being other stuff. What this tells me is that I'm
1) Missing sword and board procs.
2) Using Devastate when Shield Slam or Revenge is lit up.
3) Not using all of my available GCDs (117 of 129 possible), either because I'm not spamming abilities fast enough or I'm potentially rage starving myself at times by using HS at inopportune times.
But to answer your original question, no I don't skip over devastates to do more heroic strikes. If anything the number of devastates is too high, not too low.
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Sakkura
*itching to explain how heroic strike does not actually cost half what cleave costs*
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